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Posted April 19, 2013
Survey Results: See what the future of GOG.com holds!

A few weeks ago we asked you to fill out a survey about some of the possible new areas of gaming that GOG.com might move into in the future. We also promised that we’d share the results with you, and they are below. Before we get to that, though, we did want to let you know what these mean to us:

1. We remain committed to bringing you guys the best games from all of gaming history, on both PC and Mac. This means that while we’re exploring ways to bring you new games, we also are committed to bringing classics back to life as well. This year alone has seen Omikron, System Shock 2, the Leisure Suit Larry series, Strike Commander, and even Daikatana!

2. DLC is a controversial issue, but something that has been in gaming—by another name—since the very early days. You guys seem to understand that it’s not possible for us to sign new games with all of their DLC (before it is even made) bundled in, and it looks like you’re willing to either buy DLC or not as you find it interesting. As part of our continual efforts to improve the user experience on GOG.com, we will be looking at new, better ways to present DLC in our catalog as well.

3. Selling episodic content before the “season” is finished is also something we’re looking forward to bringing you in the future, and you seem to agree.

4. Season passes—for both DLC and for episodic content—clearly have a mixed perception here. Season passes—if we do offer them—are something that we’ll approach with deliberation to make sure that we’re confident that the content that is promised will all be delivered.

5. Finally, we have somewhat conflicting information on the persistent multiplayer features; when discussed in a very abstract fashion (as it was in the first survey), it’s a very clear “no.” When mentioned in a specific game that we’ve shown you, it’s an equally clear “yes.” What we’re going to be sure of, going forward, is that we’re very careful that any game that we bring you guys with persistent multiplayer features will be at least as offline-friendly as Planetary Annihilation is.

One of the defining characteristics of GOG.com is that the games that we sell have no DRM; this isn't going to change, and we will continue to evaluate the games that we bring to you to make sure that they're not only great games, but great games that we think will fit in well with how we do business.

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Thank you for responding to our surveys in such large numbers. GOG.com would be a mere shadow of itself if it wasn't for its incredible, open, friendly, and active community--that is you!
Post edited April 19, 2013 by G-Doc
Posted April 22, 2013
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Tweed: Guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed that GOG won't end up like so many big publishers have. I thought the question regarding Planetary Annihilation was kinda sneaky, I mean it's a kickstarter indie game, what's not love even if it violates the answers you gave on the poll! Right after they did the original poll I noticed a nice big flood of classic titles suddenly get released as if it make good on all our worries.

Not that it honestly mattered, Uber Entertainment was already talking about using GOG as a distribution platform so I don't think anything we would have said to the contrary would have any effect. I don't have anything against Uber Entertainment or PA I'm just an old curmudgeon who's worried that they're going to end up losing their one and only service to get good old games little by little as it tries to turn into just another digital distribution service, of which there are already far too many to choose from.
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vulchor: Here here, curmudgeons alike. Haha. Thanks for that info about PA, I hadn't heard that. I kind of feel kicked in the teeth a little now.
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amok: I started gaming in the late 70's, went through a lot of machines (Atari, C64, Amiga 600 - 1200, PC's)....and god, am I glad gaming is a lot more convenient today. If this make me something else than an "old school gamer", then I am proud to be so. I also do not DRM....

I like to play me old games, though. Not sure what it makes me.
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vulchor: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. DLC is largely a scam. It has little to nothing to do with convenience.
"us old school gamers" - apparently I am not one of them. Never mind.
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: As a member of the vocal minority:

If you want your DLC, go to Steam. If you want incomplete versions, go to Steam. If you don't mind bowing to AAA publishers demands, Steam is for you. Chances are you don't understand why us old school gamers hate DRM in the first place, so this community isn't the best fit for you.

GOG was about high standards and the golden age of gaming. Sure there are newer games from developers that respect your gaming rights, and these games are welcome here too. But sliding down the slope that offering DLC and Online multiplayer games (with or without cheap, shoddy single player to appease) for the sole purpose of having a larger game catalog risks alienating those in the community that are the largest proponents of this site.

What ever happened to GOG's pledge to give us the most complete edition of game possible? IF a game is going to have DLC, then it's not complete until all the DLC is available. If that's the case, I'm fine waiting for it, packaged all together as an ultimate edition, that because it's a year or so after original release is priced cheaper than the base game originally was anyway.

There are too many game distribution services out there. This change lessens what made so GOG great in the first place, what distinguished it from all the rest. Its the reason that I have re-purchased games I already owned at one point in time or another, to support this community, to support the battle against DRM and DLC. I can only hope and put my faith in the judgement of the owners that they will not abuse these changes, and still keep super high standards.

I agree that many many people on this site that support these changes wouldn't care if games had DRM either. They're the ones that want their Steam keys.
Actually, you're wrong. Steam is much more than a simple game distributor currently, and there are people who are averse to it for reasons other that DRM. Plus, as I said - it was just a survey, no changes were made yet, so no reason for complaining yet.
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snake289: I don't think I'm gonna buy from GOG anymore if they fully support the DLC and season pass trend. Shame that most people only have started playing games this gen and don't even know what expansion packs are.
People, are you stupid? GOG NEEDS MORE MONEY SO THEY CAN RELEASE MORE GOOD OLD GAMES. IF YOU STOP SUPPORTING THEM, IT'LL ALL BE FOR NOTHING. And if you have better ideas on how they can achieve this, why don't you express them instead of whining?
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: I agree that many many people on this site that support these changes wouldn't care if games had DRM either. They're the ones that want their Steam keys.
I want DLC and would probably go back to just stealing all my games if GOG introduced full blown DRM. I don't care for Steam at all. Plus they still release a steady stream of classics, they got SS2 for fucks sakes.

Take your elitist "us old gamers" bullshit elsewhere. There are a lot of very young people in this community.
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: I agree that many many people on this site that support these changes wouldn't care if games had DRM either. They're the ones that want their Steam keys.
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Fuzzyfireball: I want DLC and would probably go back to just stealing all my games if GOG introduced full blown DRM. I don't care for Steam at all. Plus they still release a steady stream of classics, they got SS2 for fucks sakes.

Take your elitist "us old gamers" bullshit elsewhere. There are a lot of very young people in this community.
There's no need for swearing. I'll just slowly go the way of the buffalo, just like from every other community that gets taken over by kids who wants the newest, hottest things now with no patience, respect, or wisdom.
Post edited April 22, 2013 by vulchor
Posted April 22, 2013
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Fuzzyfireball: I want DLC and would probably go back to just stealing all my games if GOG introduced full blown DRM. I don't care for Steam at all. Plus they still release a steady stream of classics, they got SS2 for fucks sakes.

Take your elitist "us old gamers" bullshit elsewhere. There are a lot of very young people in this community.
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vulchor: There's no need for swearing. I'll just slowly go the way of the buffalo, just like from every other community that gets taken over by kids who wants the newest, hottest things now with no patience, respect, or wisdom.
And make sure they stay off your lawn.
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: If you want your DLC, go to Steam. If you want incomplete versions, go to Steam. If you don't mind bowing to AAA publishers demands, Steam is for you. Chances are you don't understand why us old school gamers hate DRM in the first place, so this community isn't the best fit for you.
And what if I want DLC for some of my games - when I investigate and judge that the DLC is worth my money - and I don't want obligatory client? Good, story-driven expansion for a game I like and care about is something I'm willing to buy it or buy it when it goes on sale.
What if I want to try a working beta of a game I'm sure I will eventually buy? Bring me alpha pre-order deal for Jane Jansen's Moebius and you got an instabuy.
What if I don't bow to anybody's demands but sometimes I see our goals are mutual?
I hate DRM as a way of telling me that I'm a thief. I hate DRM because it limits my access to my games.
GOG was about high standards and the golden age of gaming. Sure there are newer games from developers that respect your gaming rights, and these games are welcome here too. But sliding down the slope that offering DLC and Online multiplayer games (with or without cheap, shoddy single player to appease) for the sole purpose of having a larger game catalog risks alienating those in the community that are the largest proponents of this site.
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vulchor: What ever happened to GOG's pledge to give us the most complete edition of game possible? IF a game is going to have DLC, then it's not complete until all the DLC is available. If that's the case, I'm fine waiting for it, packaged all together as an ultimate edition, that because it's a year or so after original release is priced cheaper than the base game originally was anyway.
Patience is a virtue of kings. Buy separate if you want it now, Wait if you want it complete. More options to choose from = good.
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vulchor: There are too many game distribution services out there. This change lessens what made so GOG great in the first place, what distinguished it from all the rest. Its the reason that I have re-purchased games I already owned at one point in time or another, to support this community, to support the battle against DRM and DLC. I can only hope and put my faith in the judgement of the owners that they will not abuse these changes, and still keep super high standards.
Where did you see a statement about GOG figting against DLC?
If you want to battle it, use the most powerful weapon in your possesion - your own wallet. Spend your money for something else. Buy a classic game. Or an indie game. Show GOG and the devs that you don't support DRM and that you support something else. That's how capitalism works.
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vulchor: I agree that many many people on this site that support these changes wouldn't care if games had DRM either. They're the ones that want their Steam keys.
I don't want any kind of DRM here and GOG business model is what makes GOG my one and only (if you don't count some Desura keys from bundles) digital distribution channel. I don't want any Steam keys and if I come in possesion of some, I drop them in Ninja Giveaway. Hell, Steam client isn't coming anywhere near my computer (not that I hate Steam - I just don't like their "additional features" provided by that client).
Still, what does it have to do with DLCs?
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: There's no need for swearing. I'll just slowly go the way of the buffalo, just like from every other community that gets taken over by kids who wants the newest, hottest things now with no patience, respect, or wisdom.
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Fuzzyfireball: And make sure they stay off your lawn.
And quit playing that music so loud. It's true, I'm an old gamer. I remember a time when the industry wasn't always trying to fleece us. Gaming was a sub culture, not the trillion dollar industry that it is today. It's hard to keep up and not feel the smite of being hoodwinked. I just like it that I put my money towards people that show respect for me and gaming culture.
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: I just like it that I put my money towards people that show respect for me and gaming culture.
And I want to be entertained by great interactive stories that I buy for a price I can accept and on terms I can accept.
GOG is the place I get all this and even if every feature from the survey will be introduced here - GOG will remain such place for me. I just won't buy some games, just like now. I don't buy sport games, because I don't enjoy playing them. I won't buy medicore DLCs or DLCs for bad games, I (usually) don't enjoy playing bad games with medicore DLCs.
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: I remember a time when the industry wasn't always trying to fleece us.
You do? When was that? Can you tell me a year?
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: As a member of the vocal minority:

If you want your DLC, go to Steam. If you want incomplete versions, go to Steam. If you don't mind bowing to AAA publishers demands, Steam is for you. Chances are you don't understand why us old school gamers hate DRM in the first place, so this community isn't the best fit for you.

GOG was about high standards and the golden age of gaming. Sure there are newer games from developers that respect your gaming rights, and these games are welcome here too. But sliding down the slope that offering DLC and Online multiplayer games (with or without cheap, shoddy single player to appease) for the sole purpose of having a larger game catalog risks alienating those in the community that are the largest proponents of this site.

What ever happened to GOG's pledge to give us the most complete edition of game possible? IF a game is going to have DLC, then it's not complete until all the DLC is available. If that's the case, I'm fine waiting for it, packaged all together as an ultimate edition, that because it's a year or so after original release is priced cheaper than the base game originally was anyway.

There are too many game distribution services out there. This change lessens what made so GOG great in the first place, what distinguished it from all the rest. Its the reason that I have re-purchased games I already owned at one point in time or another, to support this community, to support the battle against DRM and DLC. I can only hope and put my faith in the judgement of the owners that they will not abuse these changes, and still keep super high standards.

I agree that many many people on this site that support these changes wouldn't care if games had DRM either. They're the ones that want their Steam keys.
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YnK: Actually, you're wrong. Steam is much more than a simple game distributor currently, and there are people who are averse to it for reasons other that DRM. Plus, as I said - it was just a survey, no changes were made yet, so no reason for complaining yet.
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snake289: I don't think I'm gonna buy from GOG anymore if they fully support the DLC and season pass trend. Shame that most people only have started playing games this gen and don't even know what expansion packs are.
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YnK: People, are you stupid? GOG NEEDS MORE MONEY SO THEY CAN RELEASE MORE GOOD OLD GAMES. IF YOU STOP SUPPORTING THEM, IT'LL ALL BE FOR NOTHING. And if you have better ideas on how they can achieve this, why don't you express them instead of whining?
By not releasing DLC and Season pass crap while trying to get more newer titles on the site. Plus you act like CD Projekt only gets money from just GOG while they make their own games which sell very well.
Posted April 22, 2013
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Fuzzyfireball: And make sure they stay off your lawn.
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vulchor: And quit playing that music so loud. It's true, I'm an old gamer. I remember a time when the industry wasn't always trying to fleece us. Gaming was a sub culture, not the trillion dollar industry that it is today. It's hard to keep up and not feel the smite of being hoodwinked. I just like it that I put my money towards people that show respect for me and gaming culture.
Doesn't matter what year it was.

As pointed out in this post, companies have always tried to get your money any way they can. Don't forget "expansions" like Oh No! More Lemmings or C&C's Covert Ops, which were just more of the same. Map packs. You have both the good and the bad, and that hasn't changed since.

Anyways, the only reason I started getting hostile towards you is because your post reeked of elitism. "I'm older, thus I'm better than you." I hate that crap. If that wasn't your intention, whatever, but I want new games and DLC here just like I want DOS classics and those hard to run Windows 9x games here.
Posted April 22, 2013
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snake289: Plus you act like CD Projekt only gets money from just GOG while they make their own games which sell very well.
Does that mean they should run GOG just for the fun of it?
Nope, I'm affraid they do it for profit - and if it generates no profit or even generates losses, they'll have no reason to keep it going.
Posted April 22, 2013
Okay, so before anybody puts me into the "kids wanting the hottest things" - I buy as many new games here as old ones, even though I'm primarily here for the latter: created my account specifically to buy the Gobliiins pack.

Somebody wants to send me to Steam - no, thanks, there's too much extra stuff there that is just not for me, and I'm not going to rely on extra software or a service that can take all my games with it should something happen. And I don't cite DRM as a major reason, even though I dislike it as much as the majority of GOG customers does. There are other reasons why I choose GOG over them for newer games.

Instead of blindly criticizing GOG's ideas of improvements, why not give them better ones? If the community wishlist was a little more organized, it could've been an excellent platform for this. If we know how to do better - and many people here seem to think so - why don't we act: not against something, but for something specific that will be better? Many points from the survey - if they're improved enough instead of just being present as raw statements - could end up being good, and we can always suggest something even better. This is called support.

And while CD Projekt may not be the poorest company in the world, in the end, it is natural for any store to wish for a wider range of customers - and there are people here who want them to be super-reach, so that GOG could purchase a certain mega-corporation along with its games. Joking here, of course, but the concept of a closed, dedicated community with its strict demands kind of goes against the way stores work.
Post edited April 22, 2013 by YnK
Posted April 22, 2013
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Novotnus: Does that mean they should run GOG just for the fun of it?
Nope, I'm affraid they do it for profit - and if it generates no profit or even generates losses, they'll have no reason to keep it going.
You telling me they don't already earn a good profit already considering that the site gets more buyers everyday?

They can continue releasing games on the site without rip off DLC and season passes and continue making a profit while earning the respect for more long term customers.
Posted April 22, 2013
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snake289: They can continue releasing games on the site without rip off DLC
What about the non-rip off DLCs? Should they be released or not?
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