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ineed help choosing a cheap gaming laptop.

i found this hp envy m6 laptop for about $900 AUD
I7-3632Qm, Amd Radeon Hd 7670M 2Gb Gddr3 Graphics

http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/hp-envy-m6-1117tx-notebook-hem61117?searchTerm=hp%20envy%20m6

i also found this alienware 14 for about the same price on discount.
i5 4500 m, NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M with 1GB GDDR5

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-14/pd?oc=dkceg01h2&model_id=alienware-14&dgc=BA&cid=274177&lid=5127610&acd=12309196438360134

i,m not too good with computers but i,ve heard that alienware is good for gaming and after sometime searching these are the only two that i have found with these performance capabilities under a thousand bucks.

which one is better.
i,m mostly interested in gaming capability.

also if you can find better post a link please.
This question / problem has been solved by unlitimage
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choose 2 of the above.

Seriously though laptops are not the best for gaming, because you know video cards in desktops can be replaced every other year to keep on the cutting edge.

Alienware is overpriced because of the name... HP no longer makes durable high quality products, so the HP is definitely better than the Alienware, but good luck being able to say it still works 3 years from now.
The display is a weak point on both. If playing at 1366x768 doesn't bother you though, both are good options. I think the graphics card is the strong point for the Dell. It's a slighly less powerful processor but I don't think it will make as much a difference as the NVIDIA 750M vs ATI 7670M will. Disclaimer, I'm not an expert on gaming laptops.
Post edited May 01, 2014 by zaine-h
You could take a look at the newer MSI gaming laptops. Alienware charges alot for the name and the newer MSI models are tested quite good, have a great look, but well, depending on what you want price can be cheap or very expensive depending on power and mobility. In my opinion they offer the best value for their price, but you should choose the newer models.

Naming is:
GP entry class
GE allround class (only few differences from GP like keyboard backlight)
GS very light and mobile
GT huge and bulky desktop replacements

A look on MSI website and Notebookreview (and its forum) can give more information to choose.
Unfortunately, I don't think you will find a real "gaming" laptop under a 1000$

As far as I am concernes, a 14" screen for gaming would be a big no, and the GPU on the HP is a bit too midrange for my liking ( although very competent )

Still, a couple of other ideas :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834313740

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-152-405

Both have much better screens for gaming and decent GPUs
What performance maximum would you be satisfied with? And what's your budget?
It depends on your budget. How much?
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zer00o: i,m mostly interested in gaming capability.
Then honestly, you shouldn't buy a laptop. If portability is not a major issue for you, then you'd be much better off getting a desktop PC. A laptop that you can actually use for serious gaming will cost a small fortune, and it won't last very long. Laptops tend to wear out much faster than desktops do, and they can't really be upgraded the same way desktops can. I'm getting ready to buy a new desktop PC to replace my current one. I built it 7 years ago, and I've upgraded the graphics card twice since then, which has been sufficient to keep it capable of running new games. If I had had a laptop instead, I would have had to buy a whole new laptop twice in the same period.
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Roxolani: It depends on your budget. How much?
1000 AUD
CPU:
[url=http://tomshardware.com/answers/id-1941936/gaming-intel-core-4200m-intel-core-3632qm.html ]tomshardware.com/answers/id-1941936/gaming-intel-core-4200m-intel-core-3632qm.html [/url]
cpu-world.com/Compare/249/Intel_Core_i5_Mobile_i5-4200M_vs_Intel_Core_i7_Mobile_i7-3632QM_%28PGA%29.html

These things are important:
i5-4200M : L1: 64 L2: 512 L3: 3072
i7-3632QM: L1: 128 L2: 1024 L3: 6144

Cache = ultra fast ram. You want this as much as you can get. So, even though i7 is 3-rd generation, and i5 is of 4-th generation, I'd go for i7. Of course, if you only compare these models.

In depth comparison:
notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-4200M-Notebook-Processor.93558.0.html
notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-3632QM-Notebook-Processor.80049.0.html
notebookcheck.net/Notebook-Processors.129.0.html

So, +1 for HP envy m6.

GPU:
Scroll down to see what games can be run on two cards you have listed:

GeForce-GT-750M
Radeon-HD-7670M

Compare them head to head:
notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

From the table:
Mid-Range Graphics Cards: (98) NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M
Low-Midrange Graphics Cards: (202) AMD Radeon HD 7670M

A hundred cards stand between these two! I'd say, +1 for alienware.

Note, that well known games have tweaks (nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/1153/?) to allow them run on slower video cards. So, if by "gaming" you mean an option to run a specific list of games, you may not need to buy a very strong machine.

If there is such a list, please share it. Because, you do have options to consider for splitting your money differently.

1. Switch HDD to SSD.
2. Increase resolution: 1366x768 to 1600x900.

Battlefield 3, , [url=http://youtu.be/Ri6y_v0POgU]Crysis 2, 1366x768-vs-1600x900
Post edited May 02, 2014 by unlit
thanks a lot guys. ive chosen graphics over cpu.
i found this ASUS S550C.

Intel core i5-3337u
4gb ram
4gb nvidia geforce 750m graphics
for slightly less than what i expected to pay.

according to [can you run it] it should be able to play the witcher 2, the most demanding game i own pretty well.

i have a steam key for Lucius.
if any of you want it let me know.
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Post edited May 02, 2014 by zer00o
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zer00o: thanks a lot guys. ive chosen graphics over cpu.
i found this ASUS S550C.

Intel core i5-3337u
4gb ram
4gb nvidia geforce 750m graphics
for slightly less than what i expected to pay.

according to [can you run it] it should be able to play the witcher 2, the most demanding game i own pretty well.

i have a steam key for Lucius.
if any of you want it let me know.
I have a Toshiba Satellite that I recently bought for around $450, it runs Skyrim on high settings without any noticeable lag, same with the first two Batman: Arkham games and the last two Saints Row games. It may be able to run The Witcher 2 but despite owning a copy, I haven't tried it haha.

If Lucius is still available, I'd love to give that game a try.
The computer you did choose has an ULV CPU which runs at quite low clock speed, This isnt really a gaming laptop although together with this videocard it will run alot of older games without problems, just newer FPS will not really be fun with it.
You could take a look at an Acer V5 573g with IPS Full HD screen, too. Dont know how much it is in Australia, prices there seem to be quite alot higher than even in Europe. With your gaming profile (where the Asus is enough) alot of laptops will be enough and suitable, no need for special gaming laptops ;)
+1 to unlit for the useful info.

I haven't bought one in a good while - about three years - but here's what I look for:

- 10-key or numpad on the right side. I don't use it often, but for productivity and certain (older) games it's a boon to have it.

- 1920x1080. Again, a boon for productivity. You can always scale down the resolution but you can't scale up without an external screen.

- 15" or larger, with 17" preferred. Depends on how much portability you want. I prefer the larger screen size since my eyes aren't getting any younger. It comes at the penalty of weight, which may or may not be a problem depending on how you plan to sue that portability. For me, it's not a problem.

- Speaking of external stuff be sure to take a count of the number and types of connections you can make, to make sure you can plug-in whatever it is that you use all the time. For instance, I periodically use three USB ports at once (and even four on rare occasions) so I make sure that it has enough ports to make that happen. For ergonomics I prefer the USB ports NOT be on the right-hand side - the cables get in the way of mousing. You could use an add-on USB expander but that's not so convenient when traveling and it's an extra cost. Don't forget the video connections if you have any plans to connect an external screen - typically HDMI 1.4 or 1.4a these days.

- Drive bays. Is there a bay to add a second hard drive if you need / want to? Very handy feature and all of mine will have this from now on. Also, do you need an optical drive? Many units these days do not have that feature.

- Support. Dell gets a lot of shit from all sides (deserved at times), but their online technical documentation is really top-notch. Having taken apart laptops from Dell and from other brands, it's great to be able to go to the Dell site, punch in the Service Tag, download the factory disassembly manual, and have a detailed guide to help prevent you from screwing it up. Sure beats the youtube crapshoot for a model that doesn't come with that sort of documentation. Not saying you'll need to take one apart (maybe you'll need to clean the cooling ports), but if you do you'll at least have the detailed factory guidance to do it right.

And yes, there is such a thing as an affordable gaming laptop, and yes, it's a perfectly acceptable option. Will you have to make concessions compared to a desktop? Sure. Is it the end of the world? Absolutely not. Can you upgrade it? Sort of - RAM and SSD are no problem, and sometimes (rarely) CPU and GPU - but those are trickier to find and accomplish. If you don't typically upgrade your desktop and instead simply replace it when it's getting tired, then there's no real difference in that regard.