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EA bought out Westwood right? I wonder if they hold the rights to that or just C&C? If it's true, then thank God EA didn't butcher DUNE.
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madcartoonist: I was going to say whats the point too, but I think the point is why worry about it being a legitimate purchase when the amazon/ebay purchase of old software is barely legitimate. Although I would argue that at some point that game was purchased from the publisher. Maybe a store got it and was never able to sell it and is now just emptying their warehouse of old copies.
It's a funny thing... if someone says "well you might as well download a torrent because a used copy gives no money to the publisher or developer" then they are saying buying used games is the same as piracy, which starts a whole new lovely discussion. It's true though that for an out of print game there is no way to procure a copy and also give money to the publisher or developer.

Lovely little moral quandary there.
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madcartoonist: I was going to say whats the point too, but I think the point is why worry about it being a legitimate purchase when the amazon/ebay purchase of old software is barely legitimate.
"Barely legitimate"? Is buying a used car "barely legitimate" as well? First sale doctrine has been around for a looong time, and is well respected except by companies shoving DRM and DLC down people's throats.

In fact, I'd say it is very much legitimate for a GOG user to start reselling the games they bought off GOG, as long as they delete the resold games off their hard drives and ignore them on the virtual shelves afterwards.
Post edited October 12, 2010 by kalirion
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kalirion: In fact, I'd say it is very much legitimate for a GOG user to start reselling the games they bought off GOG, as long as they delete the resold games off their hard drives and ignore them on the virtual shelves afterwards.
I think that goes a bit far. I agree entirely that anything physical should be able to be resold, which is why companies are trying to turn physical media into digital services, to get around that. I'm not sure I can say resale should apply equally to those services though, like GOG... I think it is a rather effective difference, which is why I dislike the movement.
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Lou: You want to find the CD - Full Voice (Patrick Stewart) Edition and enjoy it as is was ment to be. Don't waste time looking for the floppy version.
QFT.

Also, since LoL was Westwood and Westwood was EA. Good luck. ;)
Unless Virgin released games are not EAs cup.
Post edited October 12, 2010 by Arteveld
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StingingVelvet: I'm not sure I can say resale should apply equally to those services though, like GOG... I think it is a rather effective difference, which is why I dislike the movement.
Why? The whole point of GOG being DRM free is so that you would actually be owning the game instead of renting it. Why shouldn't you be able to sell the games you own, whether by selling the entire GOG account alltogether, or 1 game at a time.

Actually if GOG really is as much about freedom as they claim, they should just add a feature to gift-transfer games out of your account into someone else's. But I guess the publishers would really object to that...
Post edited October 12, 2010 by kalirion
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kalirion: Why? The whole point of GOG being DRM free is so that you would actually be owning the game instead of renting it. Why shouldn't you be able to sell the games you own, whether by selling the entire GOG account alltogether, or 1 game at a time.
There's always a licence, which you should follow. And as long as this licence doesn't allow you to transfer itself to another person, you can't sell it.

DRMless thing is not about "do what you want", it's about "do what you can do using Steam, but without limits (for you) and without protection that strikes gamers, not pirates".

It is about freedom, but not as you see it.
Post edited October 12, 2010 by SLP2000
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SLP2000: There's always a licence, which you should follow. And as long as this licence doesn't allow you to transfer itself to another person, you can't sell it.
Do GOG games come with a license? I don't remember if the installers have a EULA or not...
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kalirion: Do GOG games come with a license? I don't remember if the installers have a EULA or not...
yep

"non-exclusive, non-transferable license to use the Program"

and

"This Program is licensed, not sold, for your personal, non-commercial use."
Post edited October 12, 2010 by SLP2000
GOG are DRM free but don't let that confuse you into thinking you 'own' the game. You are still licensing the software for personal use, the difference with GOG is that there are no restrictions on that personal use. This does not extend to allowing you to resale a game, you are buying the right to use the s/ware you are not buying ownership of that s/ware.
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Delixe: GOG are DRM free but don't let that confuse you into thinking you 'own' the game. You are still licensing the software for personal use, the difference with GOG is that there are no restrictions on that personal use. This does not extend to allowing you to resale a game, you are buying the right to use the s/ware you are not buying ownership of that s/ware.
You actually never own the game, it's always just a copy of game that comes together with licence to use it.
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Delixe: GOG are DRM free but don't let that confuse you into thinking you 'own' the game. You are still licensing the software for personal use, the difference with GOG is that there are no restrictions on that personal use. This does not extend to allowing you to resale a game, you are buying the right to use the s/ware you are not buying ownership of that s/ware.
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SLP2000: You actually never own the game, it's always just a copy of game that comes together with licence to use it.
So just sell the license along with your "copy of the game" and it's all good :)
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kalirion: So just sell the license along with your "copy of the game" and it's all good :)
In case of the physical copy (cd, floppy) it is possible, but in this case the licence is "non-transferable".
CD copies of the game are not hard to find on eBay, even complete in box ones like mine are not terribly pricey or uncommon.