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Posted April 13, 2011
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eyeball226: But it is needed. After installation, the downloader encrypts the install file and you need to log in again to install it at a later date. Just because it's possible to bypass doesn't make it ok.
I've never installed a game using the GG downloader so it's not necessary.
Posted April 13, 2011
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xyem: EDIT: I found this topic where this issue has come up before ( http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/lands_of_lore_1 ). Apparently, its in the EULA that you can't resell it.
But, can a non-negotiable contract actually over-rule a legal right?
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eyeball226: But it is needed. After installation, the downloader encrypts the install file and you need to log in again to install it at a later date. Just because it's possible to bypass doesn't make it ok.
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Smannesman: I've never installed a game using the GG downloader so it's not necessary.
Have you ever done it without the aforementioned workaround?
Post edited April 13, 2011 by Orryyrro
Posted April 13, 2011
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Orryyrro: Have you ever done it without the aforementioned workaround?
No, which is why I did talk about that in my original post.
Posted April 13, 2011
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Orryyrro: Have you ever done it without the aforementioned workaround?
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Smannesman: No, which is why I did talk about that in my original post.
Right, just because it has a workaround doesn't make it not DRM, if you do not use a workaround it requires you to sign in to install.
Posted April 13, 2011
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Orryyrro: Right, just because it has a workaround doesn't make it not DRM, if you do not use a workaround it requires you to sign in to install.
^ This, basically.
Post edited April 13, 2011 by eyeball226
Posted April 13, 2011
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Orryyrro: Right, just because it has a workaround doesn't make it not DRM, if you do not use a workaround it requires you to sign in to install.
They deliver DRM-free games DRM-free, period.
If you don't feel that's true, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Posted April 13, 2011
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StingingVelvet: I can't believe people point that copying-the-install-file thing out to Gamersgate constantly. You are not the first to post about doing so. The more publicized that gets the more likely it is they will remove the option. STFU about it for God's sake.
If they remove the option, then it's DRM and we can move one (fast!, back up all your GG games now!!). But they do know about it, which makes it even more puzzling. They know the trick, but don't care, so it's a DRM that doesn't care to be bypassed. Ok,... I guess.
Posted April 13, 2011
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Orryyrro: Right, just because it has a workaround doesn't make it not DRM, if you do not use a workaround it requires you to sign in to install.
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Smannesman: They deliver DRM-free games DRM-free, period.
If you don't feel that's true, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
no, I don't merely disagree, it is empirically and provably true that GG has DRM inherent to it's installer, not using its installer requires a workaround, requiring a workaround proves that it is in fact DRM.
Posted April 13, 2011
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MichaelPalin: If they remove the option, then it's DRM and we can move one (fast!, back up all your GG games now!!). But they do know about it, which makes it even more puzzling. They know the trick, but don't care, so it's a DRM that doesn't care to be bypassed. Ok,... I guess.
Well since I download and backup every GG game I buy using the "trick" them fixing it would only stop me from buying there in the future, I wouldn't lost anything.
Posted April 13, 2011
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crazy_dave: So I don't really know either of these games, but is Darkspore a single player game?
I'm not entirely sure. That's why I said that they have probably design it to seem multiplayer so every body believes accept the permanent connection. EA already said that they would shove up as much MP as possible to their games just because. But if you look at the gameplay, well, it is obvious that it could have single player component. I bet it even has a SP campaign.

With C&C4 as a precedent it's difficult to trust them.
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bansama: The fact that you need to connect to their server and log in to your account in order to verify ownership is not really any different than having to log into any other DD site in order to download your purchases.
No, it is not the same, because you need to verify ownership to install the game. Compare it to gog. Of course, I have to log to my account to download the games, but, once downloaded, I can forget about gog for the rest of my life. With GG, if they servers would go off, you cannot install the game anymore, even if you have the backup files. That's why I consider it DRM.
Post edited April 13, 2011 by MichaelPalin
Posted April 13, 2011
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MichaelPalin: snip
Again, that's your definition of DRM. Not theirs. I am simply stating their view on the matter. Feel free to contact support [at] gamersgate [dot] com and suggest that they change how their launcher works for "DRM free games".

I personally, don't care as the current work around works perfectly.
Posted April 13, 2011
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xyem: Why would GOG refuse to take it off your account if you tell them you have sold your copy to someone else? Knowing them, they'd probably offer to move it to the other persons account if they made one on GOG!
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Orryyrro: Would they? i'd actually like a comment on that by someone from GOG's staff.
They wouldn't because the owners of the rights would not accept that. Second hand markets are perfectly possible with DD, and especially with systems featuring DRM. You delete from an account, you copy it in another account, pretty simple. But I don't think any publisher would accept that, they don't want second hand market, because the profit is always much smaller.
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Smannesman: I've never installed a game using the GG downloader so it's not necessary.
So, how do you do it?
Post edited April 13, 2011 by MichaelPalin
Posted April 13, 2011
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Orryyrro: But, can a non-negotiable contract actually over-rule a legal right?
In addition to that, EULAs are post sale.

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bansama: Again, that's your definition of DRM. Not theirs. I am simply stating their view on the matter. Feel free to contact support [at] gamersgate [dot] com and suggest that they change how their launcher works for "DRM free games".
GG doesn't even sell video games. They sell toasters. You may define what they sell as video games, but I define them as toasters. We are both right.
Posted April 13, 2011
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Immoli: GG doesn't even sell video games. They sell toasters. You may define what they sell as video games, but I define them as toasters. We are both right.
Argue that point with GG, not me.
Posted April 13, 2011
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beliar: You can choose DOS :-P
I wouldn't mind that. Can I play The Witcher on it?
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