Because at this point, the "PC Master Race" meme has turned into an obsessed religion, so much so that it's turned into revisionist history as people claim that we're on the cusp of a 1980's-style crash in the market.

it reminds me a lot of religious fundamentalists who make grandiose claims about how everyone is on their side, and the collapse of marriage equality/evolution/etc. is coming "any day now". A lot of it really is to assuage their insecurity over the fact that yes, the world does not revolve around them and their opinions.

Except most PS4 and Xbox One games aren't crap. Sure, a given game might not be to your or my or any given person's taste, but the consoles have two key advantages over mobile gaming in particular but also increasingly the PC:

* Higher market entry barriers, which dissuades the genuine shovelware producers from even attempting to flood the respective console markets with crap.

* Market curation. The need to license products on the PS4/Xbox One/Wii U means that a certain quality standard as regards content, playability and integrity has to be upheld.

The list of games that you named for iOS is a fairly exhaustive list of exceptions. Actual good games are a rarity on mobile platforms, not only relative to the amount of unsalvagable shit in the mobile market, but also because this market saturation has driven prices down to such an extent that most providers don't give a fuck about it anymore.

And PC is heading that way pretty fast, with shovelware coming out en masse day by day, forcing prices down to ridiculous and unsustainable levels. AAA titles on the PC are a rarity compared to consoles, especially when you compare the situation to 10 years ago, when PC gaming was in a much healthier state. Today the PC market is dependent on indies, and the vast majority of indie titles are absolute trainwrecks (barring a small number of prominent examples).

Ah well, I am not aware of any PC gamers planting heavy stones upon chests of console gamers, Salem style - until they expire!

Should you not find your fundamentalist analogy elsewhere maybe? I hope you should!

To be fair, yes, we're not seeing PC gamers lobbying Washington to outlaw console gaming, but then again, much of the homophobia and misogynism coming out of fundamentalist Christianity comes out of a very loud and very persistently vocal segment of Christianity -- and the same is arguably true for people among the PC gaming community who harbour a profound and irrational hatred for console gaming and console games.

Again you're missing my point and are failing to acknowledge it. Anyway, there is no talking with you...


Except they are...Anyway, horses for courses n' all that.

I got your point but i don't agree with it and never will. You're trying to compare the quality of mobile games to console/PC games, which is quite ridiculous, frankly. The price tag itself reflects that. Most buy to play titles on iOS and Android cost around U$1 - U$4, with the most expensive titles costing U$7 (i'm taking US prices into account here, i don't know how much these games cost in every App Store around the world) like some Gameloft titles. Yes, there are a few exceptions, such as some Square Enix games that cost more than U$10 like Chaos Rings and those Final Fantasy remakes, but the rule is that buy to play mobile games don't go above U$8.

Now, let's be realistic for a second: do you seriously expect U$1 or U$7 games to have as much content, quality and production values as U$60 games for consoles? It will never happen. Even when compared to portables like the 3DS or the PSVita, mobile games fall short. You will never find something with as much quality, production values and content as Zelda A Link Between Worlds on a mobile device. Zelda is a U$40 title. And i'm not even taking into account the rampant piracy in mobile devices, which is one of the reasons why most games moved into F2P. Even for Steam standards the prices in the App Store and Google Play are way too low, and the reflects in the quality of those games.

I'm not saying that being more expensive = better game, i'm just saying that mobile games usually need to be more simple because of the lower price tags (things like Angry Birds). You can't expect to play something like Watch Dogs on a mobile device.

There's another thing worth mentioning: the touch screen. Not every game works well on a touch screen. I think that slower paced games are fine on a touch screen, but anything that requires fast movements and precision (like platformers, shooters and action games in general) doesn't really work well. I've already played quite a few FPS on Android and iOS (such as Modern Combat, Dead Trigger, BF Bad Company 2) and all of them are really clunky on a touch screen. It's playable, but it's nothing compared to a keyboard and mouse or even a controller.

I knows there are some third-party bluetooth controllers for Android (don't know about iOS), but developers NEED to design their games with the touch screen in mind, because they can't simply expect people to have one of these controllers.

Uhhh, no? Just tell anyone with basic common sense to go browse the App Store and Google Play and then compare them to PSN and Xbox Live. It's pretty easy to see which one has the best games.

What's next? Clash of Clans is the best game ever?

No, they're not.

If you don't like console shooters, JRPGs, platformers, casual games or whatever, that's your problem. But there are plenty of people that do. And consoles don't get to suffer such atrocities as any number of UIE's "Simulator" titles, Earth: Year 2066, Towns, Air Control, Survive or many of the other half-finished monstrosities that Steam and Desura have to offer. Such games aren't just crap - they are entirely unfit for purpose.

And don't even get me started on mobile.

If you're not willing to accept that all games on consoles are at least of merchantable quality whereas PC and mobile (mobile to a more extreme extent) have a serious problem with unmarketable products, then I'm afraid this discussion is over. The only thing that can help your situation is a psychiatrist and anti-psychotic drugs.

rampancy, pity you do not PC game - unless this is perchance your troll persona, and in earnest you do - because there is just a character in BG (Baldur's Gate), at the upper floors of the tavern in the city itself, that shall have went on somewhat circularly just like this! ;-)

I know there are a few token homophobes in the fora, and thence amongst PC crowd in genreal, but, assuredly PC gaming is more known, than not, for inclusive gaming immersion?

My personal PC gamer's dilemma is if I should remain hopeful that a great game can be developed in parallel for both PC & console. The game-play interface, to my mind, is much more trivial than actually writing a good game.

I'm not a console gamer, if that's what you're trying to imply.

If you're seriously accusing me of trolling, just because I've made a comparison that you find distasteful, then that just proves my point even further. Am I making a blind generalization that *all* PC gamers irrationally hate consoles and console gamers? Of course not. But only someone who is willfully ignorant would deny that there are a lot of arrogant and self-important PC gamers who have an irrational hate of console gaming.

My spin was to be a little impish - keeping with your obvious and by default not at all distasteful love of the strongly stated going in positions - not to be unkind.

Nothing wrong with you or anyone else being a console fancier. But I shall be pleased you know then the character I referred to, eh! ;-)

More seriously, if I have an issue with console (cum PC) developers / publishers, it is in asking myself: should we really see PC vs console game development as incompatible?

If supposedly, "yes" - I think this be a sadly lost opportunity, and a great pity, as I should like to think that story telling/ core writing is way more unique than a given gameplay interface, RPG filtered view, though. But then again, I could think Divine Divinity on console as much as this was brilliant on PC!

Edit: grammar.