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Gexecuter: WOW! i could never do that! I need my TF2!

About a month ago I was gifted my first Steam game, and that was it. Previously I had avoided Steam with a passion, and currently I'm resisting purchasing anything other than perhaps the Gold Box. I'd just rather not support Steam.
I have to say though, TF2 is way more fun than I ever thought it would be, even if I do get my tail handed to me every time I play. ;)
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JacobNZ: I haven't played portal and am interested I'd do this deal
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chautemoc: Is that the only game you haven't played, though?

Yep
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deoren: That's because they're not making money on each of those games being bought again. One of the downsides to digital distribution. :|

The copyright holders don't get anything when I rent or borrow a book, CD or DVD or buy one second-hand--why should games be any different? These other mediums have survived quite fine despite the prevalence of libraries and second-hand sales. Wanting to remove the right of resale from a buyer of any product--or require a cut of the profits from such transactions--undermines consumer rights that have been set down in law for a very long time and is driven purely by greed.
Post edited June 25, 2009 by Arkose
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chautemoc: Is that the only game you haven't played, though?
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JacobNZ: Yep

Well, I'll let you know after I interview other applicants. :D
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deoren: That's because they're not making money on each of those games being bought again. One of the downsides to digital distribution. :|
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Arkose: The copyright holders don't get anything when I rent or borrow a book, CD or DVD or buy one second-hand--why should games be any different? These other mediums have survived quite fine despite the prevalence of libraries and second-hand sales. Wanting to remove the right of resale from a buyer of any product--or require a cut of the profits from such transactions--undermines consumer rights that have been set down in law for a very long time and is driven purely by greed.

Well spoken.
Post edited June 25, 2009 by chautemoc
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Arkose: The copyright holders don't get anything when I rent or borrow a book, CD or DVD or buy one second-hand--why should games be any different? These other mediums have survived quite fine despite the prevalence of libraries and second-hand sales. Wanting to remove the right of resale from a buyer of any product--or require a cut of the profits from such transactions--undermines consumer rights that have been set down in law for a very long time and is driven purely by greed.

Oh yeah, I completely agree (link is to a rambling blog entry), but that's not the way publishers see it unfortunately. When I said it was an unfortunate downside, I was speaking of that bigger picture, but without so much explanation. I do admit it was a bit vague.
If the publishers feel they're not getting a good deal, I'd imagine they will try to change the way things work to be better compensated. As many of you know, publishers look on resales with disdain. To attempt to make it less desirable to consumers, one tactic is to make additional content available only to the original purchaser and to charge an "upgrade" fee for people who bought the used copy.
I recently saw a post where a Stardock employee responded to someone's concerns that they couldn't get access to patches for a used game they published. The employee stated that it was against the EULA to resale the game, but that Stardock would sell a discounted license to the user so they could get patches. The user politely responded with a variation of , "you can take your offer and shove it".
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Also while I'm thinking about it: What digital services do allow resales? I know Stardock is touting their GOO DRM as a necessary requisite to offering a marketplace (store credit basically) for user sales, but I don't know of another service (ignorance) that does or will do this.
Post edited June 25, 2009 by deoren
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The copyright holders don't get anything when I rent or borrow a book, CD or DVD or buy one second-hand--why should games be any different? These other mediums have survived quite fine despite the prevalence of libraries and second-hand sales. Wanting to remove the right of resale from a buyer of any product--or require a cut of the profits from such transactions--undermines consumer rights that have been set down in law for a very long time and is driven purely by greed.
While I can't speak for other countries, in Japan the rental of games is prohibited and while some internet cafe type places can rent out games as long as they aren't removed from the premesis, they have to pay a substantial fee to the copyright holders in order to do so. Likewise, while the rental of CDs is allowed, any store offering such a rental service pays a considerable annual compensation amount to cover "lost sales" due to people copying the CDs. I wouldn't be surprised if similar rules were in place for second hand book sales too. And in regards to the reselling of rental DVDs, most are prohibited but for ones that are allowed, again, the stores pay extra.
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acare84: Write this story to Steam forums and see how your account get disabled.

LOL
Great post.... :)
I have started to go off steam, sick of needing to open the client & there is too many regional restrictions and price differences. But I have too many games on it to drop it.
That said, I would not mind a sandwitch, and that one looks rather tasty.
I'll never give my steam account ! I need my Dawn of War II and Killing Floor ! And all my other games.
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bansama: (...) Valve really have a thing against accounts even being given away.

And that's why we'd like you to not discuss such matters on our forum. :)
That sandwich looks like is well worth a steam account.
Post edited June 25, 2009 by ElPixelIlustre
Looks like a great sandwich, but how can you bear to part with your account, when you've got quite a number of games in there? As much as my disdain for Steam, there are so many games that will never see their distribution on other platforms, like Zeno Clash :(
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DarrkPhoenix: Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor.

Hahahahaha ... +1