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Titanium: I thought the trailer was hinting towards corruption of the system (you know, they sent armed "nuns" (the epitome of a corrupted innocent) after him) and Agent 47's struggle to absolve himself drags him ever deeper down this hole.
Or they watched this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIz5U1LsrHw

Next I expect a trailer with a helicopter shot down by a torpedo launched by a boat mid-air in a ramp jump.
Post edited June 03, 2012 by grviper
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Arteveld: Reminds me of this movie. ;)
I was more annoyed by the clumsy fighting scene than anything.
That movie got way too much hype for how good it turned out to be. Still, it was an okay entry in the realm of grindhouse.
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orcishgamer: HOWEVER

When I watch this video I see a Quentin Tarantino-esque production that is taking a clever shot at..
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keeveek: Tarantino has some serious issues with women too, if you asked me :P
He very well may, I don't know that much about him personally. I haven't gotten that sense in particular from most of his films, but possibly a film buff could break it down and either construct or deconstruct the notion far better than I could.
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Bodkin: i have to say, that the battle-nuns are shown as unprofesional stupid whores. They droped their disguise too early, shot RPG without knowing targets actual position AND not cover their back. That is just stupid and i know it and i am not a part of some hit-squad. :)

So, there you go. I was thinking that is just stupid until you try to defend it. Good work. :P
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Fenixp: This, basically. I have no clue how they managed to get so many plotholes INTO 2 AND A HALF MINUTE, 'cause there's more :D
I think you two think they were trying to be way more clever than they are. This is lifted straight from a genre that has people with machine guns for prosthetic legs.
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Sinizine: If you don't think Syndicate had any controversy then you don't read these very forums. Use the search, there's certainly a lot more end of the world posts about that game than this one. The idea is the same. Do a lot of press saying the game is going to update the series, but stay respectful.
That's just it, though, the Syndicate controversy was limited to a very small sub-group of people who actually knew about the old games. That's not the kind of controversy he SimonG means, the kind of controversy that generates sales makes "new" people aware of the product in question.
Post edited June 03, 2012 by orcishgamer
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hedwards: Pretty much, I was about to point out that it does depend a bit on the medium. US sticoms have an intolerable amount of domestic violence depicted by women on men. And a much smaller amount of it the other way around.
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StingingVelvet: I like how in every sitcom ever made the husband is a complete idiot and the wife is the smart one who has to put up with him. Also women hate sex and men want it everyday, all the time.

Stereotypes are stupid, but it gives people enjoyment to put things into categories.
Not in every one ever made, but anything since around the 90s, yeah. Raymond from Everybody Loves Raymond is the quintessential bumbling moron of a husband that shows up in nearly every sitcom.
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Adzeth: Anyone seen Twilight? Are the main characters "manly" muscle beasts or the agile, slim kind? Some women seem to be going crazy over that stuff, I'm guessing there's some female fantasy stuff in that.

At least the men in manga that I've understood to be generally popular among women are quite pretty. Muscle beasts seem to be quite rare in those.
Why do you think there's a love triangle in every one of those juvenile films? And yes, I get to call them juvenile as that's what they are. "My films" have been called juvenile for decades (and probably rightly so) so I feel both justified and vindicated at the same time. FEELS GOOD!:)
Post edited June 03, 2012 by orcishgamer
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grviper: Or they watched this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIz5U1LsrHw
Needs more latex. Well, Edda does anyway, Revy can stick to her outfit for all I care (and I do :D) while the other two are quite fine as is thank you very much.

It just occurred to me that someone should make a skin mod for the Tomb Raider games to replace Lara with Revy. I mean isn't a no brainer that they both have almost identical qualities.
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Adzeth: I'm one of those people that can take ads really badly, and I found this ad stupid enough to boycott the game. I'm somewhat of a Hitman fan, too.
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If those leather high heel nun assassins had any sort of practical gear, and didn't wiggle their butts, the trailer could be okay.
This is absolutely bizarre to me. Why, if you are interested in video games in any way, shape, or form, would you be holding them to standards of realism that they are not actually bound to? Especially given the context of realism in the series we're talking about?

Also, you made it clear in your post that you understand "someone, somewhere" made the decision to make this ad. Why would that one person discourage you from buying this game? It's part of a marketing effort, which is quite separate from the game itself, both in the way you experience the game and probably logistically within the organization producing the game and its marketing collateral. The moment you start going down this path of boycotting based on one little thing you don't like, you can't buy anything anymore, because the money you spend is going to be tied to decisions you don't like at every turn.
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keeveek: ps. I think about buying nun outfit in a sex shop for my gf. Is that offensive? :P
That is disgusting. You are holding the progression of women in our modern society down with your bare hands.

:P
Post edited June 03, 2012 by PhoenixWright
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timppu: *snip*
I haven't actually seen the movies or read the books, so I asked. My point isn't about the ability of the "woman fantasy man" but the appearance. I claim that it's not the bodybuilder kind.

Since it felt so crazy to even consider, I went and asked the closest representative of womankind I could find about whether she thinks that Agent 47 is appealing or sexy (I showed a picture), and the reply was "Ei. Ei. *laughter* Voi kauhistus" ("No. No. *laughter* Oh fright.").

Here's a related comic strip about this whole false equivalence thing we're talking about. There are quite a few articles/freeform texts about that whole sexism false equivalence in games/comics/stuff as well. They're what I base my claim on :p

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orcishgamer: Why do you think there's a love triangle in every one of those juvenile films?
I haven't seen any of them, and my knowledge of 'em is limited to posters/pictures I've come across, the description my friends (of both genders) have given ("it's the most hilarious, over the top film ever! you'll laugh your ass off"), and articles about seriously crazed Twilight fans. There's 2 guys in most of the posters and someone said that everyone's competing for one girl's love, so I figured there are many male main characters.

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PhoenixWright: *snip*
Each to his own. To me, it's bizarre not to react to things you find offensive. If I just write a poem about how it offends me but still give them money, they won't give a hoot about my poem. They probably won't give a hoot either way since I'm likely a part of very small group of lost sales, but at least I get the satisfaction that none of the money they get is from me.

Making ads like this shows that they're aiming for a certain demographic while ignoring (or intentionally aggravating) the parties that might not like it. This, I feel, is because either the offended parties are too small in numbers or don't react properly. If other offended entities boycotted as well, there might be a change in the future.

It's also related to how I believe that gaming isn't an addiction, I do not need a fix and hence don't need to put up with humbug that gets on my nerves. I've been down this path for quite a few years, and haven't been any worse off because of it. There are over a hundred games in my backlog, and more are added all the time, so I don't even need to consider stopping playing because I didn't buy some game(s). :p

The bit about realism I don't quite understand to be honest. I feel the same argument could be used if Agent 47 suddenly did a little dance, turned into a magical girl and started shooting laser beams from a magic wand (which would quite honestly annoy me less; I might even laugh). There's a subjective threshold for what each person can and will tolerate when it comes to deviations from settings, realism, and whatnot.
The trailer is pretty lame with it's attempt make the violence sexy. At a minimum it's stupid trailer that turns away people who like the series for thinking that is what the game will be like. it's juvanial-neess of having nun dressed in fetish outfits offends by making the game look immature, potentially sexist if people think the developers would design women to be similar to that in the game, and plenty of other awkwardness.
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Adzeth: I haven't actually seen the movies or read the books, so I asked. My point isn't about the ability of the "woman fantasy man" but the appearance. I claim that it's not the bodybuilder kind.
Yeah, as I said in my earlier reply, I wasn't really arguing that "women want bodybuilders". Then again, I don't consider Agent 47 to be a bodybuilder either, oiling his muscles every night in front of a full-size mirror and kissing his biceps.

I was arguing that the view of a manly man that both "47" and "The Rock" represent, ie. a man who can, and who is a leader, not a follower, is not merely a male fantasy. My point wasn't trying to prove that it is exactly the darker skin of Rock, or the bald head of 47, that most women are looking for in a man. (Albeit, I know at least a few ladies who for some reason find bald heads sexy, as long as they are cut bald, not natural bald. But different strokes.)

By the way, this is how Agent 47 looked like in the movie (the movie came from the Finnish TV like a week ago or so, so you could have catched it there):

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1907472384/tt0465494

So I guess that's a bit different from the 50-year old Kekkonen in the earlier games. I'm not sure which kind of picture you showed.

EDIT: And they showed the two first Twilight movies in the TV too quite recently. Man, watch some TV sometime, will ya? It is not like I went to see any of those movies in cinema either. :)
Post edited June 03, 2012 by timppu
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Arteveld: Reminds me of this movie. ;)
I was more annoyed by the clumsy fighting scene than anything.
You should check out Bitch Slap. It's much more ridiculous, over the top and amusing. AND it totally rips off The Usual Suspects. :)
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timppu: *snip
It seems we were probably talking about different things (ability/appearance). That 47 kissing his biceps mental image gave me quite a laugh :D

I have the movie on dvd. I like it, as long as I skip the crazy scene..
The picture I showed was the game cover of the first one. A still from the trailer would have been preferable for this purpose, but the game cover was the first thing I found and I didn't want to take any more of her time than necessary.

I don't have a television nor any desire to get one, and even if I did, I'd only watch things I really wanted to watch :p

/edit: even though it doesn't really matter anymore, I asked another lady about 47, this time with a picture from Absolution, and her response was "ewwwwwww." :p
Post edited June 03, 2012 by Adzeth
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Arteveld: Reminds me of this movie. ;)
I was more annoyed by the clumsy fighting scene than anything.
Damn you beat me to it.
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Crosmando: A bad trailer for a tbd game in an awesome game series?
FIXED! -_-
Post edited June 03, 2012 by Rohan15