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adamzs: Come on, rojimboo. I agree with what you say completely, but your misuse of the term "troll" there, your continued attacks against Stevedog13's credibility, and your tendency to argue from a position of power really do not help your argument.
That's precisely how they will win the battles and lose the war. "I say I'm smarter than you, you slackwit, so start believing me."
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adamzs: Come on, rojimboo. I agree with what you say completely, but your misuse of the term "troll" there, your continued attacks against Stevedog13's credibility, and your tendency to argue from a position of power really do not help your argument.
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HereForTheBeer: That's precisely how they will win the battles and lose the war. "I say I'm smarter than you, you slackwit, so start believing me."
No. That's not what he's been doing. He's been pointing out evidence and provided sources and even a few posts up translated scientific language into something a little less abstract. The one thing that everyone has to do for themselves is to actually think through the arguments and evidence brought forward and to be willing to truly educate themselves given the opportunity - that's the minimum requirement to really be able to have a discussion. There's a point to be anti-authoritarian but that doesn't excuse actually engaging with what is brought forward - the evidence is on a broad scientific base rather than coming from a few select specialists; that is established, easy to illustrate (see above) and clear if you just even delve into this a little looking at what the people that devoted much of their life to exploring these questions say - rather then ONLY pointing to journalists and especially populist media. At this point still holding on to the belief that there is no scientific consent IS trolling - or just willfully remaining ignorant.
Post edited August 12, 2012 by Mnemon
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adamzs: Come on, rojimboo. I agree with what you say completely, but your misuse of the term "troll" there, your continued attacks against Stevedog13's credibility, and your tendency to argue from a position of power really do not help your argument.
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HereForTheBeer: That's precisely how they will win the battles and lose the war. "I say I'm smarter than you, you slackwit, so start believing me."
I think if this had been my intention, i.e. to try and convert people and preach the gospel of AGW I might have been a bit nicer. Or nice at all.

I could care less, but when I see factual inaccuracies, misinformation and propaganda regarding settled science of what is the greatest challenge living things on this planet have faced, I will definitely try and correct them.

Normally I would say, hey man go ahead and believe the Earth is Flat. Don't care, as long as it does not hurt anyone.

But here we have a situation like..permit me an analogy. Say you have 97-98% of astronomers stating that in 60 years an asteroid would hit Earth, that would not cause all living things to die, just trigger a Mass Extinction event, and that by a great combined international effort, this could be avoided, or actually, its impact mitigated so it is not so severe. Now, in order to do this one industry will have to be completely penalised let's say the fossil fuel industry because this project would use up all of their oil and they would not be fairly compensated.

Then you get this multi-billion industry lobbying in governments, preventing any meaningful action, funding spin-machines with Mickey Mouse science that only convince non-scientists, stating that these astronomers have invented this asteroid so that they could get more funding for their research, pointing to the 2-3% of astronomers who do not believe the asteroid will hit etc etc.

At this point their actions are criminal, because they are delaying any action about it through lies and misinformation. and preventing people preparing for the catastrophe.