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Posted July 31, 2014
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realkman666: It's just that it's supposed to be like Linux, but then the screen freezes for 30 seconds when you try to start a game or Fraps
This behaviour is specific to your computer. If the delay is too long you can lower the UAC setting (which is slightly less secure due to not using the virtual desktop but still functions the same otherwise).
Posted July 31, 2014
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hedwards: People bitch about UAC, but I've never found it to be that annoying. Developers should really put their shit in the right directory, then it would be even less of an issue.
Maybe... People got used to having admin access in 95/98, so had no regard to what API's they could call. The format C: command? Sure! Two files having full access to the same file? Sure! Replace files in the Windows Directory with custom calls? Sure! Download software and install without asking? Sure!

Many of the popular programs weren't planned ahead with when those accesses would go away. Reminds me of this video

Also there seems to be some hidden flags in the FS, where one determines if the file came from an external computer/source which automatically makes it ask you if you really wanted that. 'You just downloaded program xxx and are trying to run it, was that what you wanted?'. Course if you lower the UAC down to where it won't complain to you, it occasionally wants confirmation but that's rare... usually installing a game...

Curiously those problems aren't on Linux... Neither are viruses (there's like, 6 viruses? And if you run a virus on linux it can only really affect your own personal files and not the OS unless you're running as admin which you never should).
Post edited July 31, 2014 by rtcvb32
Posted July 31, 2014
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hedwards: People bitch about UAC, but I've never found it to be that annoying. Developers should really put their shit in the right directory, then it would be even less of an issue.

BTW, I don't love UAC, I just think the rage is overstated.
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realkman666: It's just that it's supposed to be like Linux, but then the screen freezes for 30 seconds when you try to start a game or Fraps, and besides a lot of crap can install itself without going through it. It might save your ass once in a while, but chances are you've already turned it off by then.
30 seconds? Even on my 6 year old rig it's rarely more than a second or two, and that assumes that I have to go searching for the UAC dialog box.
Posted July 31, 2014
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realkman666: It's just that it's supposed to be like Linux, but then the screen freezes for 30 seconds when you try to start a game or Fraps, and besides a lot of crap can install itself without going through it. It might save your ass once in a while, but chances are you've already turned it off by then.
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hedwards: 30 seconds? Even on my 6 year old rig it's rarely more than a second or two, and that assumes that I have to go searching for the UAC dialog box.
It's a usual problem. It's not performance-related.
Posted July 31, 2014
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hedwards: 30 seconds? Even on my 6 year old rig it's rarely more than a second or two, and that assumes that I have to go searching for the UAC dialog box.
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realkman666: It's a usual problem. It's not performance-related.
That sounds like a performance problem, none of the computers I've run Vista on have had that problem. Even my massively underpowered computer running the Vista RC didn't have that problem.
Posted August 01, 2014
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hedwards: That sounds like a performance problem, none of the computers I've run Vista on have had that problem. Even my massively underpowered computer running the Vista RC didn't have that problem.
Sounds like a pending harddrive failure....
Posted August 01, 2014
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hedwards: That sounds like a performance problem, none of the computers I've run Vista on have had that problem. Even my massively underpowered computer running the Vista RC didn't have that problem.
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rtcvb32: Sounds like a pending harddrive failure....
Indeed, That's actually what tipped me off to the last several HDD failures. Even before the SMART status changed I was seeing random lockups like that.
Posted August 01, 2014
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realkman666: It's a usual problem. It's not performance-related.
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hedwards: That sounds like a performance problem, none of the computers I've run Vista on have had that problem. Even my massively underpowered computer running the Vista RC didn't have that problem.
Have you run all the same programs and games as me?
Posted August 01, 2014
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hedwards: That sounds like a performance problem, none of the computers I've run Vista on have had that problem. Even my massively underpowered computer running the Vista RC didn't have that problem.
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realkman666: Have you run all the same programs and games as me?
Probably not, but it does sound like your computer is borked if it's taking that much time. The only time it's ever taken more than a second or two has been due to HDD failure.

As much as I'd love to pin this on MS, I think in this case it's probably not their fault.
Posted August 01, 2014
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realkman666: Have you run all the same programs and games as me?
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hedwards: Probably not, but it does sound like your computer is borked if it's taking that much time. The only time it's ever taken more than a second or two has been due to HDD failure.

As much as I'd love to pin this on MS, I think in this case it's probably not their fault.
At least it was an easy problem to fix. ;)
Posted August 01, 2014
Something everyone might enjoy regarding Windows 8... or at least reviewing it...
Posted August 01, 2014
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timppu: Nice tidbits, thanks.

Even though I have a couple of old Win98SE and WinXP PCs as a backup, I really wish running those old Windowses in a virtualized environment (e.g. VMWare Player) becomes feasible also for classic gaming. So far my experiments with that haven't been too good, lots of issues running especially (old) 3D games in virtualized 98SE or XP environments.

Then again I also keep hearing sometimes Wine in Linux is the solution for some old games, surprisingly.
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Tolya: Have you tried XPMode?

Also, I use Oracle VM at work for some XP related tests ;) Funnily, with Guest Additions even The Witcher Adventure Board Game ran very satisfactorily, to my surprise.
I'm getting the parts for a new computer tonight and I'm going to be experimenting with that. I'm guessing that with 8 cores and each one fairly beefy, that running XP, Vista and possibly 7 in a VM is going to allow playing games. But, I'm a bit curious as to how recent the games would be. It would be great to be able to stop dual booting, even if it means loading of a VM.

I expect that pretty much any game from about 10 years back and earlier would run OK like that. I'm not sure about newer games though. It would be awesome to get something like Duke Nukem Forever running in a VM.
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