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I find the use of guns... strange. Can someone tell me a reason as to why one should own a gun?

Some people say that you should have a gun so you can protect yourself against people with guns. However i dont see how it can help when are sold at toys r' us (note its a joke) but they are easy to get compared to a lot of countries.

In my opinion would removing guns or restricting them more reduce gun crimes? Yes most likely. Sure it wont stop people from getting these weapons by illegal means. However it would reduce it as it would be harder / more expensive to get a gun. The more people that have / sell / transport guns the easier it is for people to get them / steal them.

But anyway on topic:
There have not been a single proof ever that video games make people go crazy and butcher people. Most likely people had a problem from when they were born or they had some life experience that made them crazy (like bullied at school).
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mystral: Guns are not evil, obviously. They are, however, lethal weapons and their only purpose is killing.
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And they make killing much easier than any other type of weapon.
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This makes it a bit hard for most Europeans to understand why many Americans feel entitled to own one. To us, it seems that gun owners are claiming to have the right to kill others, for whatever reason.
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And all the claims about needing one for home safety seem ridiculous, considering that most Europeans don't own guns, and yet most of us have never been attacked in our homes.
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The only valid reason to own a gun is hunting, and you don't need more than a shotgun for that.
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Handguns are useless for that, and if you need a semi-auto rifle (let alone an automatic weapon) to hunt, then you're doing it wrong.
Not all guns are lethal, and other purposes include hunting and sport shooting.
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And cars make it easier to kill people than running into them. We shouldn't need to ban everything just because it's dangerous if used for the wrong reasons/in a bad way.
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We don't want to kill everyone...just the ones that look at us crossways. :p
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It seems ridiculous to you & others, but that doesn't make it so for everyone. This is what I was talking about......when you debate a topic you should try to use common sense and logic and keep from letting your own opinions/beliefs influence the debate too much.

Just because you don't see a particular need to own a gun as valid doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
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Again, this is opinion and not necessarily fact.
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Some people like to hunt from a distance(i.e. with a rifle & not a shotgun)...that doesn't mean you're doing it wrong.
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tokisto: Well, youre out or not? Geeez, "don´t listen my arguing and agree with it > I´m out"
Actually, he was more like "Don't want to debate logically & instead come at me with opinion fueled replies? Then i'm out."
Post edited December 15, 2012 by GameRager
I haven't read all these, but "question" threads are usually for questions. :-) Discussions are just plain ol' threads.
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DieRuhe: I haven't read all these, but "question" threads are usually for questions. :-) Discussions are just plain ol' threads.
What, you never asked a question to start a dialog before? Well that's....odd.

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I actually agree with some of what the guy was saying that modern culture is being as a whole being made less empathetic by a lot of factors.

That said it's silly to try to put the blame on one particular thing when the problem is human nature.
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GameRager: I don't mean to be (too)rude but why is it that almost everyone here replying from somewhere in Europe act like guns are the greatest evil ever known to mankind & that no one(civilians, I mean) should ever own one or needs to own one? And why is it that many of the same people seem to paint all Americans in the same light as those who own automatic rifles(AKA militants and fringe individuals)?

All in all it's getting old and somewhat tiring.
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mystral: Guns are not evil, obviously. They are, however, lethal weapons and their only purpose is killing. And they make killing much easier than any other type of weapon.

This makes it a bit hard for most Europeans to understand why many Americans feel entitled to own one. To us, it seems that gun owners are claiming to have the right to kill others, for whatever reason.
And all the claims about needing one for home safety seem ridiculous, considering that most Europeans don't own guns, and yet most of us have never been attacked in our homes.

The only valid reason to own a gun is hunting, and you don't need more than a shotgun for that. Handguns are useless for that, and if you need a semi-auto rifle (let alone an automatic weapon) to hunt, then you're doing it wrong.
The reason is because it's supposed to be the last line of defense against tyranny. One of the last straws before the Revolutionary war was when the Brits tried to disarm the colonists.

So US citizens are entitled to own assault rifles etc. because that's what the government has. The government can't just run roughshod over the populace as easily if many of them are armed. It's basically a way of ensuring that government is really by the "consent of the governed".

Honestly I think a lot of Europeans might have a problem understanding this because frankly a lot of European governments even very recently have been despotic. (even Spain was under Franco only a few decades ago) I'm also not sure if Europe has a libertarian streak in the same way that the US does (which came out big time with Ron Paul). (note: I am not talking about the people who preach small government but want to legislate morality and pour billions into "defense" while running a massive empire)

That being said, I am personally a total pacifist, so I would never participate in any sort of violence even in self defense and I don't condone it either even if the government became despotic (which it is showing signs of doing with the Patriot act, NDAA etc.). But I understand the position of people who are die hard 2nd amendment proponents.

Coming at it from a different angle, I think gun control is also misguided simply because it won't do anything to stop gun violence. Instead, it will create a massive black market.

If people really want to reduce the amount of gun violence they should call for the end of the war on drugs. That would drastically reduce the amount of gun related crimes while simultaneously possibly making people feel more secure and feel less need for guns for self defense.

Americans like guns. Americans also liked alcohol, which is why the prohibition failed miserably. It would be a similar situation if guns were outlawed. I shudder to think of the amount of deaths that would result if drug cartels gaining control of such a gigantic new slab of "market share".

In conclusion, change culture, don't try to change the laws.

BTW, look at Switzerland. Most of the male populace own assault rifles as part of their country's system of defense, (or even more deadly stuff, like AT weapons etc.), yet their murder rate is much lower. Again, it is a problem of culture, not of laws, and I'd say the War on Drugs is the biggest contributor to that culture problem.
Post edited December 15, 2012 by NoxNoctum
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GameRager: Not all guns are lethal, and other purposes include hunting and sport shooting.

And cars make it easier to kill people than running into them. We shouldn't need to ban everything just because it's dangerous if used for the wrong reasons/in a bad way.
Unless you include air-powered guns (and even those can kill), yes all guns are lethal.
Hunting IS killing, you don't typically hunt to have a friendly chat with the wildlife.
I'll admit I didn't think about sport shooting. But you don't need to own a gun for that, it could be provided by the shooting stand you're practicing at.

And the comparison with cars falls apart when you consider that cars kill as a side-effect of their real purpose, which is going to places faster. We, as a society, feel that being able to do so outweighs the higher risk of injury or death (although personally I dislike cars and don't own one).
On the other hand, a gun's sole purpose is killing (excluding sports guns, BB guns and such). It's not just dangerous as a side effect, lethality is its whole reason for being.

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GameRager: It seems ridiculous to you & others, but that doesn't make it so for everyone. This is what I was talking about......when you debate a topic you should try to use common sense and logic and keep from letting your own opinions/beliefs influence the debate too much.

Just because you don't see a particular need to own a gun as valid doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
It's an opinion backed by a fact.
People in Europe don't own guns as a rule, and most of them have never been attacked. Ergo, it's not necessary to own a gun to be reasonably safe. I'm pretty sure that even in the US there are people who don't own guns and feel perfectly safe.

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GameRager: Some people like to hunt from a distance(i.e. with a rifle & not a shotgun)...that doesn't mean you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, quite frankly taking a deer's head off from hundreds of meters away with a scoped rifle doesn't count as hunting to me. It's just slaughter.
For recreational hunting (which is all that people do in the US or Europe), you don't need anything more than a shotgun and a hunting dog.
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mystral: Unless you include air-powered guns (and even those can kill), yes all guns are lethal.
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Hunting IS killing, you don't typically hunt to have a friendly chat with the wildlife.
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I'll admit I didn't think about sport shooting. But you don't need to own a gun for that, it could be provided by the shooting stand you're practicing at.
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And the comparison with cars falls apart when you consider that cars kill as a side-effect of their real purpose, which is going to places faster. We, as a society, feel that being able to do so outweighs the higher risk of injury or death (although personally I dislike cars and don't own one).
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On the other hand, a gun's sole purpose is killing (excluding sports guns, BB guns and such). It's not just dangerous as a side effect, lethality is its whole reason for being.
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It's an opinion backed by a fact.
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People in Europe don't own guns as a rule, and most of them have never been attacked. Ergo, it's not necessary to own a gun to be reasonably safe.
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I'm pretty sure that even in the US there are people who don't own guns and feel perfectly safe.
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Yeah, quite frankly taking a deer's head off from hundreds of meters away with a scoped rifle doesn't count as hunting to me. It's just slaughter.
For recreational hunting (which is all that people do in the US or Europe), you don't need anything more than a shotgun and a hunting dog.
I meant stuff like BB guns/etc.
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I meant killing humans....sorry about not making that bit more clear.
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Yes but it makes for an easier time of things if you want to do such things somewhere else/near home/etc.
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The comparison holds, though, when you realize that both CAN kill(regardless if that's the item's purpose or not) and that something shouldn't be banned because it CAN be used in a bad way...which is the point I was trying to make here.
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How is it a fact when you say owning a gun for home defense is ridiculous(presumably on the pretense of your own opinion based on your own beliefs) for everyone or almost everyone?
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This is what you're telling me; People in NYC don't have any mountain lions to worry about, so they don't need guns to protect themselves against mountain lions....ergo people who actually live in areas with such animals shouldn't need such weapons either.
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Yes, but there are also people who don't own guns yet feel unsafe(validly so or invalidly so) & people who own guns and feel unsafe.......it varies from area to area, as with any part of the world. This doesn't mean no one needs to or should own a gun, though.
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Everyone hunts differently. :\
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NoxNoctum: I actually agree with some of what the guy was saying that modern culture is being as a whole being made less empathetic by a lot of factors.

That said it's silly to try to put the blame on one particular thing when the problem is human nature.
The problem is that those kind of killings seem to only happen in the US.
So either you think that Americans are by nature a lot more violent than Europeans or you point out the main difference between the US and Western Europe when it comes to violence, which is the much easier availability of guns.

The problem with guns is that they make make it way too easy to kill someone.
Let's take an example. Someone made you really angry, and you feel very much like killing him.
If you don't have a gun available, you'll likely grab a knife. With a knife, you actually have to catch the other person and then manage to stab them. It's fairly hard to kill with a knife actually, if you don't know what you're doing.
If you do have a gun, you can just shoot the other person. You might miss, or you might just injure them. Or you might kill them. Either way, it'll likely happen much faster than with a knife, meaning there is less chance the other person could talk you down or you might come to your senses.

It's much more likely that you'll kill one person, let alone several, with a gun than with any other weapon available to normal people.

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NoxNoctum: The reason is because it's supposed to be the last line of defense against tyranny. One of the last straws before the Revolutionary war was when the Brits tried to disarm the colonists.

So US citizens are entitled to own assault rifles etc. because that's what the government has. The government can't just run roughshod over the populace as easily if many of them are armed. It's basically a way of ensuring that government is really by the "consent of the governed".

Honestly I think a lot of Europeans might have a problem understanding this because frankly a lot of European governments even very recently have been despotic. (even Spain was under Franco only a few decades ago) I'm also not sure if Europe has a libertarian streak in the same way that the US does (which came out big time with Ron Paul). (note: I am not talking about the people who preach small government but want to legislate morality and pour billions into "defense" while running a massive empire)

That being said, I am personally a total pacifist, so I would never participate in any sort of violence even in self defense and I don't condone it either even if the government became despotic (which it is showing signs of doing with the Patriot act, NDAA etc.). But I understand the position of people who are die hard 2nd amendment proponents.
I'm a historian, so I'm quite aware of the history issues. But that was 200 years ago. Times change.
The whole militia argument makes no sense nowadays, simply because even if people get assault rifle, there's no way they can resist a tank battalion, or air strikes.
It made sense 200 years ago, because the army had weapons only a little better than normal people could get. Nowadays, either you allow private citizens to get planes, tanks and other advanced weaponry (which no one wants to do, because it's way too dangerous) or the idea of the citizen militias resisting the army is just so much junk.

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NoxNoctum: Coming at it from a different angle, I think gun control is also misguided simply because it won't do anything to stop gun violence. Instead, it will create a massive black market.

If people really want to reduce the amount of gun violence they should call for the end of the war on drugs. That would drastically reduce the amount of gun related crimes while simultaneously possibly making people feel more secure and feel less need for guns for self defense.

Americans like guns. Americans also liked alcohol, which is why the prohibition failed miserably. It would be a similar situation if guns were outlawed. I shudder to think of the amount of deaths that would result of drug cartels gaining control of such a gigantic new slab of "market share".

In conclusion, change culture, don't try to change the laws.

BTW, look at Switzerland. Most of the male populace own assault rifles as part of their country's system of defense, (or even more deadly stuff, like AT weapons etc.), yet their murder rate is much lower. Again, it is a problem of culture, not of laws.
Most normal people have an innate respect of the law, and fear the consequences of breaking it. Unless acquiring a black-market gun were as easy as pirating games or finding illegal alcohol during the Prohibition (and it wouldn't be except in some states like Texas), most people won't do it.

Intelligent gun control laws could help, although they wouldn't be enough to solve the problem. I agree that to do so, you'd need to change Americans' views on guns, to make them socially unacceptable as in Europe. But that'll take a long time, and some gun control laws similar to those In Switzerland can help in the meantime.

And actually, the Swiss don't have much trouble because those weapons are tightly controlled, and their owners have to go through training.
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DieRuhe: I haven't read all these, but "question" threads are usually for questions. :-) Discussions are just plain ol' threads.
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GameRager: What, you never asked a question to start a dialog before? Well that's....odd.

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Well, sure, but just as a normal thread, unless I'm looking for a very particular piece of information, in which case it can then be "solved" by giving me the information I'm looking for. Most normal discussions here are not things to be "solved", they just tend bounce around a lot.

Sure, I could make a "question" thread:

Me: Has anyone played Juiced 2? Did you like it?
Someone: Yes, and I loved it.
Me: Solved!

See, that's not really a question that needs a "solution." The OP is rather new and that's the only point I was trying to make.
In reply to mystral (the quote were messed up for some reason):

Well yes American culture is inherently more violent than European culture. I'd agree with that completely. And I think the biggest contributors to this are numerous things but among them the fact that the country itself is founded on land taken from an exterminated people and built on the backs of another enslaved people. There are still many deapseated problems that come from this. That coupled with the drug war I'd say are the biggest factors.

I disagree with you that having assault rifles is not an adequate defense against a tyrannical government. Time and time again a poorly armed resistance has beaten a far more organized and well equipped force. The ongoing war in Afghanistan is proof of that. In less than 50 years the Mujahidden have defeated two of the most powerful empires the world has ever known with little more than AK-47s and RPGs. But I would have no problem with private citizens owning more advanced military hardware (AFVs etc.)

And I think you underestimate the potential for a black market were guns outlawed. If there is demand, the supply will come from somewhere. And in the US there is enormous demand as can be seen with how many guns the US populace buys. If guns were outlawed that demand would still be there, and enterprising criminals would definitely take up the challenge.

People only have respect for the law if they agree with it. While gun laws might work in Europe, they would not work in the US because large segments of the population are completely opposed to gun control. You can't change the laws and expect a change in culture to result, it has to be the other way around.

Again though, I find it hard to take seriously when politicans say they want to decrease gun violence yet do not call for an immediate end to the drug war. THAT is the root cause of the a huge portion of gun related homicides.
Post edited December 15, 2012 by NoxNoctum
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mystral: I'm a historian, so I'm quite aware of the history issues. But that was 200 years ago. Times change.
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The whole militia argument makes no sense nowadays, simply because even if people get assault rifle, there's no way they can resist a tank battalion, or air strikes.
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It made sense 200 years ago, because the army had weapons only a little better than normal people could get. Nowadays, either you allow private citizens to get planes, tanks and other advanced weaponry (which no one wants to do, because it's way too dangerous) or the idea of the citizen militias resisting the army is just so much junk.
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Most normal people have an innate respect of the law, and fear the consequences of breaking it. Unless acquiring a black-market gun were as easy as pirating games or finding illegal alcohol during the Prohibition (and it wouldn't be except in some states like Texas), most people won't do it.
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Intelligent gun control laws could help, although they wouldn't be enough to solve the problem. I agree that to do so, you'd need to change Americans' views on guns, to make them socially unacceptable as in Europe. But that'll take a long time, and some gun control laws similar to those In Switzerland can help in the meantime.
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And actually, the Swiss don't have much trouble because those weapons are tightly controlled, and their owners have to go through training.
And history has a way of repeating itself.....etc. (Not saying it will/might happen....just making a point here.
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Not everyone would be up against that kind of force, though(If such were to happen in the US.). The US is a large country and if large areas rose up against a (perceived or actual) tyranny I doubt the gov't could field massive forces against everyone. You also discount(among other things) the possibility some portions of the armed services would refuse to fire on/hurt their countrymen and/or would defect to the other side, thus giving the ones revolting a better advantage(morale/supplies/etc.)
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Again, not really.....see above.
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You claim guns are easy to get in the US then say it's difficult to obtain them...which is it? Also it's not as hard to get an illegal gun as you seem to think......if you know where to look(Or so i've heard).
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I don't think anything short of a police controlled state and/or brainwashing would solve the problem(maybe even genetically engineering a less violence prone human being).
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The Swiss also have a smaller country to oversee/police for illegal weapons and a different culture which seems to promote less violence(Of which tighter control of weapons might play a part, along with other factors.)
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NoxNoctum: In reply to mystral (the quote were messed up for some reason):

Well yes American culture is inherently more violent than European culture. I'd agree with that completely. And I think the biggest contributors to this are numerous things but among them the fact that the country itself is founded on land taken from an exterminated people and built on the backs of another enslaved people. There are still many deapseated problems that come from this. That coupled with the drug war I'd say are the biggest factors.

I disagree with you that having assault rifles is not an adequate defense against a tyrannical government. Time and time again a poorly armed resistance has beaten a far more organized and well equipped force. The ongoing war in Afghanistan is proof of that. In less than 50 years the Mujahidden have defeated two of the most powerful empires the world has ever known with little more than AK-47s and RPGs.

And I think you underestimate the potential for a black market were guns outlawed. If there is demand, the supply will come from somewhere. And in the US there is enormous demand as can be seen with how many guns the US populace buys. If guns were outlawed that demand would still be there.

People only have respect for the law if they agree with it. While gun laws might work in Europe, they would not work in the US because large segments of the population are completely opposed to gun control. You can't change the laws and expect a change in culture to result, it has to be the other way around.

Again though, I find it hard to take seriously when politicans say they want to decrease gun violence yet do not call for an immediate end to the drug war. THAT is the root cause of the a huge portion of gun related homicides.
I'm not an expert in American culture, so if you tell me that it's more violent than in Europe, I'll have to believe you.
In which case I have to agree that the main way to reduce gun violence from normal people would be to launch awareness campaigns as they did for tobacco.

Gun violence from criminals, and the related drug wars, is another problem, it's not criminals who are killing children in schools, they're mostly killing each other and cops, which most people have no problem with.


As for Afghanistan, you're ignoring that the main advantages their resistance movements had was their mountains and their much better knowledge of the local terrain than the invaders. It's impossible to use tanks in mountainous area, and bombing them is hard too, which negates most of the technological advantage the Soviets and then the US army had.

By contrast, most of the land where people support the idea of militias (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) is flat, AFAIK. That means using advanced weaponry and air strikes is no problem, meaning assault rifles would merely be a joke in the unlikely event the US army tried to take control or something.
There might be a few resistance movements in the cities and mountain ranges, but anyone living in places that are easy to bomb would be wiped out faster than the Iraqi army, assault rifles or not.
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NoxNoctum: In reply to mystral (the quote were messed up for some reason):

Well yes American culture is inherently more violent than European culture. I'd agree with that completely. And I think the biggest contributors to this are numerous things but among them the fact that the country itself is founded on land taken from an exterminated people and built on the backs of another enslaved people. There are still many deapseated problems that come from this. That coupled with the drug war I'd say are the biggest factors.

I disagree with you that having assault rifles is not an adequate defense against a tyrannical government. Time and time again a poorly armed resistance has beaten a far more organized and well equipped force. The ongoing war in Afghanistan is proof of that. In less than 50 years the Mujahidden have defeated two of the most powerful empires the world has ever known with little more than AK-47s and RPGs.

And I think you underestimate the potential for a black market were guns outlawed. If there is demand, the supply will come from somewhere. And in the US there is enormous demand as can be seen with how many guns the US populace buys. If guns were outlawed that demand would still be there.

People only have respect for the law if they agree with it. While gun laws might work in Europe, they would not work in the US because large segments of the population are completely opposed to gun control. You can't change the laws and expect a change in culture to result, it has to be the other way around.

Again though, I find it hard to take seriously when politicans say they want to decrease gun violence yet do not call for an immediate end to the drug war. THAT is the root cause of the a huge portion of gun related homicides.
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mystral: I'm not an expert in American culture, so if you tell me that it's more violent than in Europe, I'll have to believe you.
In which case I have to agree that the main way to reduce gun violence from normal people would be to launch awareness campaigns as they did for tobacco.

Gun violence from criminals, and the related drug wars, is another problem, it's not criminals who are killing children in schools, they're mostly killing each other and cops, which most people have no problem with.


As for Afghanistan, you're ignoring that the main advantages their resistance movements had was their mountains and their much better knowledge of the local terrain than the invaders. It's impossible to use tanks in mountainous area, and bombing them is hard too, which negates most of the technological advantage the Soviets and then the US army had.

By contrast, most of the land where people support the idea of militias (Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) is flat, AFAIK. That means using advanced weaponry and air strikes is no problem, meaning assault rifles would merely be a joke in the unlikely event the US army tried to take control or something.
There might be a few resistance movements in the cities and mountain ranges, but anyone living in places that are easy to bomb would be wiped out faster than the Iraqi army, assault rifles or not.
Keep in mind that the biggest concentrations of population are in cities, which might as well be a jungle, an urban jungle that is.

Besides, if the US government decided to just start indiscriminately bombing/nuking the country into oblivion it wouldn't last long. That would guarantee that whatever parts of the military that were still staying loyal to whatever bureaucrat/military junta was in power would ditch them.

School shootings etc. I would argue are not because of lack of gun laws but because of a culture of violence and whatever good would from gun control---I doubt any--- (because really, if a 24 year old wants to go on a killing spree, he could get his hands on a gun even if they were outlawed easily enough) would be negated by the increased power given to the drug cartels and the resulting deaths from that. It is not only criminals and cops that die from that, just look at how many innocent Mexicans die all the time from spillover from the drug war. That would only grow if guns were outlawed. Even if it were only criminals that suffer from it, I think it's callous to just overlook that and act as if it's meaningless, when so many kids grow up in the gang culture and find it hard to escape. They're basically "criminals" from birth.

At the end of the day, you cannot legislate the world into a utopia and if you try it will backfire.
Post edited December 15, 2012 by NoxNoctum
My opinion about gun control is that it's not working.
In Belgium a few years ago, it was really easy to legally get a gun here. Just enter a store, and buy one. Illegal guns and their uses were mostly mafia and others "well connected" peoples thing. Then, someone bought a shotgun and start shooting in the street, emergency emotional laws, now you need the governor authorization to get one, and it is an administrative hassle.
The demand for illegal guns increased, and now anyone can buy an AK for about 100€ in the street. Including gangs, which upgraded from knives to assault riffle in the process. While there isn't any post 2006 (when the law came into effect) statistics to compare, I didn't heard about gangs shootout before that..
That said, I would not be against some form of gun control - like a regularly renewed shrink authorization or something, but there's no point in making people prefer the illegal way over the legal one.

But that's not all the problem tough, I have no doubt that there is also cultural and educational factors, and that prevention would be a much more effective means than control to prevent people from resorting to guns.

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Rincewind81: No, because is it not necessary for a cop to keep his "working tools" at home and in the reach of other people. He could keep them in a locker at work.
You mean, leaving them in an obvious place without surveillance? Breaking undetected into my local police station would be as easy as smashing the door at night...


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HappyHappyJoyJoy: Ultimately though it's a question of the effectiveness of the tool. As you say, sure they can use a knife, much like the school stabbings yesterday in Henan, China. One adult and 22 children were stabbed. The difference here is that there were no fatalities in that mass stabbing. Knives are less deadly, and knife wielders are more easily dealt with (especially by taser and gun wielding police).
Comparing guns and knives is a bad idea. They are different tools, for different jobs. A knife is a really deadly weapon, actually more effective than a gun at taking a single life in a close quarter situation. A taser or a gun won't help you against someone wielding a knife close to you, because with the time it will takes you to react, arm your gun and shoot, you'll be stab already.
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dksone: My opinion about gun control is that it's not working.
In Belgium a few years ago, it was really easy to legally get a gun here. Just enter a store, and buy one. Illegal guns and their uses were mostly mafia and others "well connected" peoples thing. Then, someone bought a shotgun and start shooting in the street, emergency emotional laws, now you need the governor authorization to get one, and it is an administrative hassle.
The demand for illegal guns increased, and now anyone can buy an AK for about 100€ in the street. Including gangs, which upgraded from knives to assault riffle in the process. While there isn't any post 2006 (when the law came into effect) statistics to compare, I didn't heard about gangs shootout before that..
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That said, I would not be against some form of gun control - like a regularly renewed shrink authorization or something, but there's no point in making people prefer the illegal way over the legal one.
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But that's not all the problem tough, I have no doubt that there is also cultural and educational factors, and that prevention would be a much more effective means than control to prevent people from resorting to guns.
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You mean, leaving them in an obvious place without surveillance? Breaking undetected into my local police station would be as easy as smashing the door at night.
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Comparing guns and knives is a bad idea. They are different tools, for different jobs. A knife is a really deadly weapon, actually more effective than a gun at taking a single life in a close quarter situation. A taser or a gun won't help you against someone wielding a knife close to you, because with the time it will takes you to react, arm your gun and shoot, you'll be stab already.
Yet people here seem to insist banning all/most guns would stop most or all gun related crime/deaths.
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THIS, as with more restrictive DRM some(Whether it's moral or not is up to debate and beliefs vary from person to person) started to resort to pirated games with the DRM stripped out.

Claiming that banning guns would stop all/most gun related crime is like saying DRM will stop all or most piracy, imo.
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People usually like easy solutions(sadly) more than more practical ones because it's usually less work on their part and gives them quicker results. This isn't always the best option, but politicians can use such measures to get reelected easier and get more funding for their campaigns so they roll with it anyways in many cases.
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Your local police station has a door that flimsy? What is it made of? Cardboard? 0.o
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And some are more efficient with knives, meaning they can kill easier/quieter with one than with a gun. Also knives don't need ammo and don't jam.