Heya!
Spent the entire day cleaning my bedroom yesterday so my computer was unplugged and alone downstairs. Set it up all neat, yous should all see it you'd be so proud of me (not a softclaim).

And what excitement to return to! Two claims and one confirmed town player, if muttly is to be believed. I do believe. Sorry Vitek. Whatever. :op. unvote Vitek.

After Muttly said he investigated Vitek, Rob said that he 100% believed Muttly. I'm wary of this. He seems to be suggesting having information on Vitek, and I don't think now is the time to be softclaiming if you're town. If you're mafia I can understand wanting to start working on your defense what with confirmations and claims popping up.

Rob says: "ffs people clearly don't reads posts properly"
What are you referring to?

When I was reading it I did think that Twilightbard was weedling for a claim from Mt Sharim.

Okay here's what I got:

Muttly: Town Cop. Okay.
Vitek: Confirmed town OOOh but let's not forget about Godfathers! Gosh I had to come back and pre-edit this bit because I almost forgot about the possibilty of godfathers still how likely is that? not very. still. I thought I had something on Vitek before. Still... okay for today we can maybe say confirmed.
Twilightbard: Town Vanilla.... it's an interesting claim. I'm inclined to believe it because it is being questioned by
Rob: summy. Seems to be sowing seeds for claim which I don't think is necessary. (I might be reading it all wrong though but that's how I'm thinking.)
Pazzer: The trick when he assumed Muttly was softclaiming cop. If a mafia found cop breadcrumbs surely that would just make that cop the next night kill. Why start shouting about it if you knew it was likely true? I'm saying town.
Stuart: Dunno. How many have I got left? He might be mafia by process of elimination.
PeanutBrittle: I want to believe he's town. He just seems so sincere.
Mt. Sharim: His support of Muttly seems to push him town.

Therefore, I make our Mafia: Rob Stuart and Peanutbrittle...

Or If it's Twilightbard who's lying then the mafia would be Twilightbard, Vitek is godfather for defending him and... Stuart if mafia to make up the numbers. Seems less likely. Seems crazy. If Vitek is Godfather then what was Rob hinting at with believing Muttly 100%?
I'll vote Rob. Makes the most sense right now.

I didn't catch this at first. But as far as I am aware of, there's no power capable of messing with reads that are beyond the cop's sanity to begin with.

@Muttly: I need to ask again, what was the wording of the results you were given?

There's a MAJOR difference between voting to put pressure on someone to see how they'll react, and voting with the idea that they're scum.

And after spending a fair amount of time flipping your idea over to see the seams, I have to say there's something very wrong with it that makes it an extremely bad one. The big thing is how difficult such a thing would be. It would require a lot of effort, time, and to be frank, you'd have to start it from the very beginning to have enough of a chance of being subtle enough to actually pull it off, and even that to me is a stretch that you'd remotely have a chance of attempting it without it becoming obvious.

Yeah, you could make the argument that it would be something I continued from Orryyrro, but let's look at 2 MAJOR issues with that. First, I was dropped into the game in the middle of day 2. Unless the mafia is allowed to talk during the day, it would be hard for anyone to give me a heads-up on what plans were made. The second issue, is that it's against the rules of the game for Orryyrro to tell me, or for one of the other mafia to say something in PM.

My view of this? I think the mafia has been letting other people make the cases, even splitting up as needed for moments like day 2 when there were two wagons. In the case of Baron, the mafia would find it a safe lynch because of his alignment. In the case of today, I was the major case maker, and as soon as Muttly claimed, there was a quick attempt at building a wagon on me.

A Mafia redirector might be able to confuse a read depending on how the moderator handled it I think.

What is it you're being accused of? I don't really follow.

But yeah you're right about the mafia being split over the muttly-redbaron lynch. I didn't think about that.

Just quick one. I asked about lenght of lfavour because I was surprised how colourful his flavour is. I have very short flavour saying almost nothing so I wondered if it is usual to have long flavour.

well, it is strange, but why you would one lie about their length of the message? Presumeably he would have had a message, and if it was necessary to false claim he could base his answer off the actual message.
Maybe he would be caught out if he had no personal message. But someone with no personal message wouldn't actually be playing the game... So we shouldn't waste lynches on them?

You've claimed Town Vanilla with-a-bit-extra? Is that right? The extra being the John Smith thing.

I guess when you word it like that, yeah. I don't know where the info on the other John Smith is supposed to lead, if it has anything to do with what we're dealing with as it is, but I felt like putting it out there couldn't hurt.

And, I'm being accused of role fishing, and Peanut is suggesting that I'm using pressure to push for claims to locate potential night kill targets. And yes, it seems to be suggested that I'm somehow aiming to get claims from multiple people with everyone in the game watching what I post fairly closely.

Well, you stopped once you got a lot of attention, but the way you jumped immediately from muttly to itai because "Maybe this will get something out in the open" made it look like role fishing. Plus I think your claim is fishy, because as Vitek pointed out and as I know from my own PM you're flavour doesn't really seem to mesh with the style.

It's not like I just randomly chose a target out of nowhere. Just because I accused you doesn't mean it's baseless.

@Vitek: Just one paragraph really. Name, occupation and why I am here. Sound very much like every one elses.

There's a big problem with this. It's Day 3, and anyone throwing out information should be prepared to have someone call them on your source or why you think something. It's a question that could easily be answered without giving away a claim or even role information. Adding a vote is pressure, and I'm not the type to leave my vote sitting around without a reason.

You'll find Muttly questioned Vitek about why he was willing to call me town, even if he never threw the vote off of me.

I think a redirector would simply change the target. I was thinking changing the result, not the target. But good call. I'm not sure how it works (not sure for a cop if you'd still get the results under Vitek's name, or the person that it got redirected to), but pointing to a townie and hoping he investigates a mafia member seems like asking for it.

Still very suspicious of Penut and Robb, I'm just not sure who the 3rd might be.

Time to post again gents...

I know Muttly said he'd be gone over the weekend, and it's still technically the weekend on the East Coast of the US.

I didnt mean to say I had any hard information on this, hence my 100/10% comment. I simply assume there may be some mafia role that would alter my read to an "insane" or simply that Vitek could be a Mafia Miller or something of that nature. Again, I dont have any cause to believe either of those, just throwing out the possibilities at that time.
Well I cant give exact as you know. Or can I? I assume all PMs from the mod cant be quoted. Flavor was usually me encountering someone at the bar in the hotel or some such with me ultimately getting a "feeling" if they were a killer or not. Finally getting a Killer/Not a Killer result.

Sorry for the post edit. Doubled it by accident.

In that case I think we have enough willing to vote for Rob - Muttly, Joe, TB, Vitek and me.

vote Robbeasy

Votecount:

3 - Twilightbard (Stuart, Robbeasy, Peanutbrittle)
3 - Robbeasy (Muttly, Joesapphire, Itai.sharim)
1 - Muttly13 (Pazzer)

Not voting: Vitek, Twilightbard

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 1am GMT 5 February.