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Posted July 07, 2013
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Telika: Well, kinda makes giveaways and general discussions mutually exclusive (as adding a gift to it hides the discussion to a portion of the forum population). But heck, people just love categories, epurations, polarisations, dichotomies. Gotta go with the general love for exclusions, clean worlds, and "either/or" solutions.
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Fenixp: Well when you check the boards and most topics you actually do care about are burried beneath a bunch of giveaways, it doesn't exactly help making this a place you'd like to return to.
That is another huge problem with the GOG forums, threads get buried really really fast. Maybe that in it self is an indication of a need for more sub-forums?
Posted July 07, 2013
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Telika: Or buried under a thread title with the word "giveaway" in it, that is therefore not worth checking because it has the word "giveaway" in it, and maybe -horror- is accompanied with a giveaway inside.
About 99% of threads with the word 'giveaway' in them are not worth checking. Digging trough all them to find 1% I actually find interesting is not effort I am willing to make on a place where I go to relax.
Posted July 07, 2013
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Telika: Or buried under a thread title with the word "giveaway" in it, that is therefore not worth checking because it has the word "giveaway" in it, and maybe -horror- is accompanied with a giveaway inside.
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Fenixp: About 99% of threads with the word 'giveaway' in them are not worth checking. Digging trough all them to find 1% I actually find interesting is not effort I am willing to make on a place where I go to relax.
So... don't click? Seriously, the greater problem is when they drown out other threads, which I can see as an actual problem. So, yeah, a subforum may be good.
Posted July 07, 2013
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Kristian: That is another huge problem with the GOG forums, threads get buried really really fast. Maybe that in it self is an indication of a need for more sub-forums?
They do? At 50 threads per page, from night to day it goes back 1 page and a half. If left for 24 hours, it goes back to a bit more than 2 pages.
If you do have the default threads per page view, then yes, you will have to go dig for the threads, but 2 pages isn't really buried now, is it?
Posted July 07, 2013
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HMDK: So... don't click? Seriously, the greater problem is when they drown out other threads, which I can see as an actual problem. So, yeah, a subforum may be good.
That was my original point, yes.
Posted July 07, 2013
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HMDK: So... don't click? Seriously, the greater problem is when they drown out other threads, which I can see as an actual problem. So, yeah, a subforum may be good.
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Fenixp: That was my original point, yes.
I'm not against it, like I just said, though I do think the guy above you, Jmich, has a point. How hard is it to bookmark?
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Posted July 07, 2013
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HMDK: I'm not against it, like I just said, though I do think the guy above you, Jmich, has a point. How hard is it to bookmark?
Pretty hard actually, I bookmark only threads I know I'll need to access later, not those I have passing interest in.

Not to mention that the mere fact of dropping threads off the main page severely reduces their lifespan.
Post edited July 07, 2013 by Fenixp
Posted July 07, 2013
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langurmonkey: Thanks to all the assholes here, no more giveaways from ne_zavarj.
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Tranquil.Suit: Yep, it's pretty ridiculous.

YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURLSELVES.
We effectively have only one forum here, and it means that we all have to learn to make do.

I've personally got ADHD, which makes it tough to keep track of threads here. Effectively if it goes off page 1, then it's out of sight out of existence.

Ultimately, Mr. Gog needs to do something about it, because the only reasonable solution is to give us another subforum or two that people might actually use.

They'll give us 500 or so sub-fora that are so specific that few people bother to go in there. But, they refuse to give us even 2 or 3 sub-fora for things people do a lot of.
Posted July 07, 2013
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HMDK: I'm not against it, like I just said, though I do think the guy above you, Jmich, has a point. How hard is it to bookmark?
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Fenixp: Pretty hard actually, I bookmark only threads I know I'll need to access later, not those I have passing interest in.
i was gonna write something something combative, but I actually get your point. If it's only something you're passively interested in at first... and then you realize you actually wanted to read more of it, I suppose it could be hard to find.
Posted July 07, 2013
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wpegg: I feel kind of responsible here as I did do this in the past. However back then there were fewer threads, so there was not the need to solve this problem.

I agree that there is now a reasonable argument for allowing people to filter giveaways as there are so many. It's really nice that so many people are now being charitable and sharing, but that does make this forum hard to follow for those of us that don't compete.

I think a separate forum is a poor solution, you'll just end up with requests for subforums of each type of topic. If you take TheJoe's view of the general discussion forum, then it's purpose is solely for discussions on games. so then we'd need a world events subforum, a religious debate subforum, a "this person has died RIP" subforum.

I think filtering is a much better idea, however the problem with client side filtering is that (I assume) it would screw up paging, so if page 1 was full of giveaway threads, you'd only see a blank page. It would be much nicer if we were allowed to add tags to our posts to indicate their content. It wouldn't be too hard to add either a drop down, or a few checkboxes to our post (possible just for general discussion), then add a forum preference for the elements we aren't interested in. That way we all have our own specialised subforums without even realising it.
I don't really think it would be that hard. They could make a "general games", "general general" and that alone would do wonders for organization around here without splitting things too much.

A tag based system where things are posted to a subforum via tag, would be nice, the outward appearance would be that you're placing it into a subforum, when really, you're just tagging it and everybody could easily filter out the ones that aren't of interest would be nice.

But, ultimately, this would require some moderation, something that Mr. Gog is apparently allergic to.
Posted July 07, 2013
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Fenixp: Well when you check the boards and most topics you actually do care about are burried beneath a bunch of giveaways,
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Telika: Or buried under a thread title with the word "giveaway" in it, that is therefore not worth checking because it has the word "giveaway" in it, and maybe -horror- is accompanied with a giveaway inside.

Like contests or puzzles that are not worth it, because there is a prize and having to type "not in for the prize, but" before participating is such a devastating burn of energy.
I think the word "giveaway" is as good a dividing line as one could possibly ask for. Anyone that has evaluated his intent and decided "giveaway" must be in the title to describe what follows, likely really is creating a giveaway and not some room for diverse, meaningful social interaction. I've been into those posts, and "not in, but..." isn't just about burning energy, the text that follows is usually nothing more than "Awesome!", or "Thanks for the giveaway", or "+1!" And furthermore its a long line of one person after the other posting just to say they aren't participating which is totally unnecessary. Anyone suggesting that such posts are rife with meaningful content, has my skepticism based on personal experience.

It might be possible for meaningful debate to spark in such an environment, but busy people need to make certain assumptions based on past experiences, and by the numbers giveaways aren't a good place for certain people to find what they are looking for, generally speaking.

I have nothing really against giveaways(I've made them - rarely), but as someone that is not looking for freebies, or interested in playing games, the idea of being able to sweep those posts away has appeal.
Posted July 07, 2013
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Kristian: That is another huge problem with the GOG forums, threads get buried really really fast. Maybe that in it self is an indication of a need for more sub-forums?
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JMich: They do? At 50 threads per page, from night to day it goes back 1 page and a half. If left for 24 hours, it goes back to a bit more than 2 pages.
If you do have the default threads per page view, then yes, you will have to go dig for the threads, but 2 pages isn't really buried now, is it?
Perhaps for you, but I'll regularly "lose" things that are in my top desk drawer because they're out of sight out of existence.

Perhaps, for people with adequate working memory and attention span digging through a couple pages isn't an issue. But, if you don't remember the exact name of the thread it can be a real challenge to find anything in the constant flooding of bullshit.

I don't expect every thread here, or even most threads, to interest me personally, but between the forum games and the give away threads, it's gotten rather tough to follow things and find the threads that are interesting.

What's worse is that these give away threads also tend to attract moochers to the site that don't contribute anything except for trying to win these giveaways. I don't think one should be required to give back, but the quality of the community isn't what it used to be, and encouraging begging isn't something that's likely to improve the quality of the community.
Posted July 07, 2013
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hedwards: But, ultimately, this would require some moderation, something that Mr. Gog is apparently allergic to.
Wouldn't you be? Seriously, having to do the shitwork of judging between all manner of nerds of all ages, genders, creeds, colors... not to mention Picard vs. Kirk... I'd rather blow my brains (such as they are) out my ear with whatever gun was handy.
Posted July 07, 2013
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hedwards: But, ultimately, this would require some moderation, something that Mr. Gog is apparently allergic to.
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HMDK: Wouldn't you be? Seriously, having to do the shitwork of judging between all manner of nerds of all ages, genders, creeds, colors... not to mention Picard vs. Kirk... I'd rather blow my brains (such as they are) out my ear with whatever gun was handy.
LOL, well, if they're judging Picard vs., Kirk, they may not have to blow their brains manually.
Posted July 07, 2013
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HMDK: I'd rather blow my brains (such as they are) out my ear with whatever gun was handy.
Taser?
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