Posted October 04, 2010

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States

destroyermaker
damaged lemon
Registered: Nov 2008
From Canada

Delixe
Not Merry
Registered: Sep 2008
From Ireland

Roman5
N'wah
Registered: Oct 2010
From Latvia
Posted October 05, 2010
hehe, relax guys
I will definitely play the game on both platforms and of course PC has many advantages :)
I just prefer gaming on my PS3 when im in the mood for it
I will definitely play the game on both platforms and of course PC has many advantages :)
I just prefer gaming on my PS3 when im in the mood for it

trusteft
Viceroy
Registered: May 2009
From Greece
Posted October 05, 2010

Lou
Eschalon - Book One
Registered: Oct 2009
From United States
Posted October 05, 2010

I will definitely play the game on both platforms and of course PC has many advantages :)
I just prefer gaming on my PS3 when im in the mood for it

Dragon Age was a hands down PC stand out and absolute cut above any console system. DRM and DLC were virtually handled the same. What makes PS3 prefered? I mean you don't even get a keyboard and mouse.

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 05, 2010
Not to mention the fact that PS3 and Xbox DLC has DRM on it as well, and the PC is actually the only platform where one could easily circumvent said DRM if one needed to.

trusteft
Viceroy
Registered: May 2009
From Greece
Posted October 06, 2010
Why I prefer the PS3 for multiplatform games when the games are DRMed on the PC?
I prefer them over the PC version mainly due to the DRM on its own. I have had problems in the past with DRM blocking me from playing my games and with every year pass (or new OS released), there is always the chance (and it already happens) for certain DRM "solutions" to have a problem, and not the game itself. I even had a recent (last year anyway) problem where I contacted Codemasters about a game not running (installed just fine) on my Vista 64, and they kept replying how the game does not support Vista 64. As soon as I circumvented the DRM, TADA!!!! OH WHAT A MIRACLE! THE GAME WORKS!!!! So either the DRM was the problem, or the unprotected exe also magically transcoded the game to make it run under Vista 64, when the whole Codemasters said it was impossible to run the game under the (evil?) Vista 64!!!!!!!!
It is still soon, just wait 5 more years and you will see for yourself how the DRM of yesterday are going to make many games worthless.
As to why I prefer the PS3 over the Xbox 360 (I have a Wii but I don't game on it) multiplatform games, it sure isn't about the laziness of many developers releasing some times inferior versions for the PS3. It has to do with two things. First, in all my life (I am almost 34), I rarely had any issue with a SONY product or that was unable to be fixed by them. On the other hand, Microsoft drops even support for older hardware before you sigh.
The red ring of death hasn't affected me yet, although I have two different 360 consoles, but both of the consoles original white premium 20GB and later model black Elite 120GB, have the same issue with the disc tray not always opening immediately.
And of course the thumsticks on the 360 controller which after 6 months+ they begin to lose their calibration, not much, but enough for me to notice. No such issues experienced with the PS3 yet, by me.
Oh, and also taking Microsoft almost, what, 5? years to support Live in my home country (sometime next month....they say), where Sony did from the day the PS3 was released here. And in the rare case I want to play online, PS3 is free for that.
So, yes, when we are talking about mutliplatform games, which are DRMed on the PC, I prefer the PS3 versions, unless they are too hampered by the developers.
Dragon Age is almost a different game due to the different GUI and camera options, between the PC and the consoles. I got the PC since the DRM is relatively light and I know it is a game I won't be playing again for years. Still, I haven't decided what I am going to do about DA2.
Velvet, I don't care that much about DLC or their DRM, so I am almost fine with it. Besides, on the PS3 (or I guess the 360), one wouldn't NEED to circumvent the DRM since the game will always work as long as you have a console. At least for the PS3 version, I have no idea what will happen with the 360. What happened with the original Xbox Live for the first Xbox console? They shut it down....
I prefer them over the PC version mainly due to the DRM on its own. I have had problems in the past with DRM blocking me from playing my games and with every year pass (or new OS released), there is always the chance (and it already happens) for certain DRM "solutions" to have a problem, and not the game itself. I even had a recent (last year anyway) problem where I contacted Codemasters about a game not running (installed just fine) on my Vista 64, and they kept replying how the game does not support Vista 64. As soon as I circumvented the DRM, TADA!!!! OH WHAT A MIRACLE! THE GAME WORKS!!!! So either the DRM was the problem, or the unprotected exe also magically transcoded the game to make it run under Vista 64, when the whole Codemasters said it was impossible to run the game under the (evil?) Vista 64!!!!!!!!
It is still soon, just wait 5 more years and you will see for yourself how the DRM of yesterday are going to make many games worthless.
As to why I prefer the PS3 over the Xbox 360 (I have a Wii but I don't game on it) multiplatform games, it sure isn't about the laziness of many developers releasing some times inferior versions for the PS3. It has to do with two things. First, in all my life (I am almost 34), I rarely had any issue with a SONY product or that was unable to be fixed by them. On the other hand, Microsoft drops even support for older hardware before you sigh.
The red ring of death hasn't affected me yet, although I have two different 360 consoles, but both of the consoles original white premium 20GB and later model black Elite 120GB, have the same issue with the disc tray not always opening immediately.
And of course the thumsticks on the 360 controller which after 6 months+ they begin to lose their calibration, not much, but enough for me to notice. No such issues experienced with the PS3 yet, by me.
Oh, and also taking Microsoft almost, what, 5? years to support Live in my home country (sometime next month....they say), where Sony did from the day the PS3 was released here. And in the rare case I want to play online, PS3 is free for that.
So, yes, when we are talking about mutliplatform games, which are DRMed on the PC, I prefer the PS3 versions, unless they are too hampered by the developers.
Dragon Age is almost a different game due to the different GUI and camera options, between the PC and the consoles. I got the PC since the DRM is relatively light and I know it is a game I won't be playing again for years. Still, I haven't decided what I am going to do about DA2.
Velvet, I don't care that much about DLC or their DRM, so I am almost fine with it. Besides, on the PS3 (or I guess the 360), one wouldn't NEED to circumvent the DRM since the game will always work as long as you have a console. At least for the PS3 version, I have no idea what will happen with the 360. What happened with the original Xbox Live for the first Xbox console? They shut it down....

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 06, 2010
DRM would bother me like it does you if the PC were not an open platform. The fact that it is makes DRM irrelevant... even you yourself said you removed the DRM and the game worked. I fully agree that companies are capable of letting a game be unplayable due to DRM down the road, but I also know that PC gamers don't have to really worry about it.
As for console DLC the PS3 limits you to 5 activations, same as SecuROM on PC. If Sony collapses or leaves the market, or if PSN support ends for PS3, or if you go through 5 PS3s... well, same issues arise and the PS3 is not an open platform.
As for console DLC the PS3 limits you to 5 activations, same as SecuROM on PC. If Sony collapses or leaves the market, or if PSN support ends for PS3, or if you go through 5 PS3s... well, same issues arise and the PS3 is not an open platform.

trusteft
Viceroy
Registered: May 2009
From Greece
Posted October 06, 2010

As for console DLC the PS3 limits you to 5 activations, same as SecuROM on PC. If Sony collapses or leaves the market, or if PSN support ends for PS3, or if you go through 5 PS3s... well, same issues arise and the PS3 is not an open platform.
Sony collapses is as possible as Microsoft or Nintendo collapsing, perhaps even less likely. Games is not the only field Sony work on. Steam or EA is more possible to collapse than Sony.

Delixe
Not Merry
Registered: Sep 2008
From Ireland
Posted October 06, 2010
The DRM DLC on DA:O is largely irrelevant. Once downloaded you back up the .dazip file. If BioWare ever close the authentication servers you install the DLC with DAModder or the other Mod manager, then a simple .ini edit and there you go.
Post edited October 06, 2010 by Delixe

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 08, 2010
Not really, that is exactly what those old SecuROM games did, they didn't activate more than once on the same machine, and revoke tools meant it was only a concurrent limit. When Mass Effect and Spore first came out there were no revoke tools, you had to contact support to revoke activations, but the tools came soon enough.
Besides, SecuROM and limited installs are rarely used anymore and easily removed. Easier than Steam, in my experience.
Yes, but Steam and EA DRM is useless on an open platform, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's DRM schemes are used on closed ones.
Besides, SecuROM and limited installs are rarely used anymore and easily removed. Easier than Steam, in my experience.
Yes, but Steam and EA DRM is useless on an open platform, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's DRM schemes are used on closed ones.

trusteft
Viceroy
Registered: May 2009
From Greece
Posted October 08, 2010

Besides, SecuROM and limited installs are rarely used anymore and easily removed. Easier than Steam, in my experience.

2)I don't know first hand about Steam and EA DRM being useless, I never tried to crack them, but since as you too agree that it is highly unlikely that Sony will collapse, I think I can manage to survive any idea/theory about what might happen if Sony goes out of business.

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted October 08, 2010
I didn't dispute that, I don't know why you think I did. All I said was that SecuROM is the same, you can reinstall it on the same machine as many times as you want and revoke the license when you get rid of said machine.

trusteft
Viceroy
Registered: May 2009
From Greece
Posted October 08, 2010


also, of course they are similar, Securom is a Sony company.