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The game pages certainly need this...

I'm fine with DosBox, it's just that sometimes there're games that have 2 version on it, like Wing Commander IV and HoMM 1 & 2 (IIRC)... and I certainly would prefer the windows version than the emulated version. I'm not sure which version gog has on these games.

Also as far as I recall, WCIV have 3D Accelerated version too, patched up sometimes after the original release, allowing the game uses Direct3D. I would definitely expected this version.

Most first timers (specially me) who come here actually thought that all these games are run natively under windows, not under emulation like DosBox. That's how I thought all GoG games were when I first arrived here.

The other dissapointment with games under dosbox is that often some games won't even run fine with it. I got Blood for example, so far the gog version's performance are simply horrible.

Sure, some more tweaks and I got a bit of performance boost but if this is the case, why bother with GoG version, specially if I still had the CD lying around... I can download the vanilla DosBox and do the tweaking myself.

TL;DR : Please put somekind of indicator/info whether the game run natively under windows or dosbox.

Thanks in advance!
Post edited June 21, 2012 by exorio
a good point.
You can always check against this list.

http://www.gog.com/en/mix/games_using_dosbox
and check the gamespage on the gogwiki.com

It even tells you the version of dosbox used ;)
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exorio: The other dissapointment with games under dosbox is that often some games won't even run fine with it. I got Blood for example, so far the gog version's performance are simply horrible.
What system are you running Blood on? Are you using the default settings? On my weak 1.3GHz Core 2 laptop Blood doesn't run well unless I change the in-game resolution to 400x300 or something similarly low, but it ran just fine on my 3GHz Core 2 Duo desktop.
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exorio: The game pages certainly need this...

I'm fine with DosBox, it's just that sometimes there're games that have 2 version on it, like Wing Commander IV and HoMM 1 & 2 (IIRC)... and I certainly would prefer the windows version than the emulated version. I'm not sure which version gog has on these games.

Also as far as I recall, WCIV have 3D Accelerated version too, patched up sometimes after the original release, allowing the game uses Direct3D. I would definitely expected this version.

Most first timers (specially me) who come here actually thought that all these games are run natively under windows, not under emulation like DosBox. That's how I thought all GoG games were when I first arrived here.

The other dissapointment with games under dosbox is that often some games won't even run fine with it. I got Blood for example, so far the gog version's performance are simply horrible.

Sure, some more tweaks and I got a bit of performance boost but if this is the case, why bother with GoG version, specially if I still had the CD lying around... I can download the vanilla DosBox and do the tweaking myself.

TL;DR : Please put somekind of indicator/info whether the game run natively under windows or dosbox.

Thanks in advance!
I agree it would be a great idea to have that information on the store page. But as a rule if there's a windows native and dos version of a game, you can assume GoG will have likely went for the dos version. It's just much easier to guarantee compatibility with dosbox than trying to get old windows games working properly with no access to source code.
Post edited June 21, 2012 by MikeMaximus
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exorio: I'm fine with DosBox, it's just that sometimes there're games that have 2 version on it, like Wing Commander IV and HoMM 1 & 2 (IIRC)... and I certainly would prefer the windows version than the emulated version. I'm not sure which version gog has on these games.
Sadly, if there is both a DOS and a Windows version of a game, you can be almost positive that the GOG version is the DOS version. This is not really GOG's fault, although it is unfortunate. The thing is that the only games to come in both DOS and Windows versions are the ones made when Windows meant something between Win3.11 and Win98SE. The Windows OS has changed a lot since then, and technology in general has matured and is better at conforming to general standards. The upshot of all this is that many Windows games from that period are flat-out impossible to run on a modern version of Windows, due to various incompatibilities. The fact that 16-bit compatibility has been removed from all 64bit Windows versions also plays a factor with some early Windows games.

In comparison, it's laughably easy to emulate a DOS environment on modern hardware. So while it's unfortunate that this should be so, it's also understandable.

However, I completely agree that the game page should clearly state which version a given game is, and which emulation software is used to run it, if any.
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Ubivis: and check the gamespage on the gogwiki.com

It even tells you the version of dosbox used ;)
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kodeen: You can always check against this list.

http://www.gog.com/en/mix/games_using_dosbox
See this is the thing that kind of puzzled me with gaming community. What you do is nice, but let's not forget in this particular case you're a customer, you got the right to know these stuffs and I suppose it's GoG responsibility to have these kind of informations available and accessible to their customers instead of the community.

They actually made up the requirements for dos games, might aswell add some lines to it like "under dosbox" instead of misleading customers with windows as the minimum requirements. Example? I just saw Alien Breed got 3D graphics card requirements on it... AFAIK Alien Breed is a DOS game. If one don't ever touch this game, he/she might think she'll be having a 2D game with filtered sprites or somekind.

Let me put it this way... if you buy what looks like a sport car... you see the sexy exterior of it, the curves and stuffs... you fall in love with it instantly, and you buy it. Turn out it's just fiberglass body and what you get is actually an old car refurbished, modified and pimped... you can still drive it around... later you think of it it's not such bad car too... but still I don't think you'll be pretty happy by it.
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kalirion: What system are you running Blood on? Are you using the default settings? On my weak 1.3GHz Core 2 laptop Blood doesn't run well unless I change the in-game resolution to 400x300 or something similarly low, but it ran just fine on my 3GHz Core 2 Duo desktop.
Asus ROG G series

i7 1.6 ghz
nvidia gtx360m
4gb RAM

Doing battlefield 3 at medium smooth as silk.

I can run Blood at low resolution at acceptable rate... but I suppose you feel that slight hiccup too whenever transparency drawn on the screen (like decals and smokes and such)... for FPS player like me this is rather unacceptable and really annoying.

But yet, I ran Blood at high resolution on older PCs using pure DOS. And it's really f-ing annoying fact that 2012 game runs smoothly compared to decades-old games.

Anyway blood isn't my main concern here. It's how misleading the requirements and there's no infos on DOS Box in the game pages of GoG.
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MikeMaximus: But as a rule if there's a windows native and dos version of a game, you can assume GoG will have likely went for the dos version.
Meh. If that is the case, gog just lose a sale on WCIV then.
http://www.gog.com/en/wishlist/site/show_which_games_use_dosbox_or_scummvm

ohheytherehavethismyfriend

Edit: Also modify your Blood conf file. Blood runs silky smooth here.
Post edited June 21, 2012 by Fuzzyfireball
What we really need is GOG to offer both but not to officially support the windows versions. That way those of us who want to run older OS's & the superior versions of the games can. There's a few games I haven't bought on GOG simply because they're the inferior DOS versions.

Also GOG have a terrible tendency not to set up their DosBox'd games very well which is a constant irritation for me when running them for the first time on my netbook.
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serpantino: What we really need is GOG to offer both but not to officially support the windows versions. That way those of us who want to run older OS's & the superior versions of the games can. There's a few games I haven't bought on GOG simply because they're the inferior DOS versions.

Also GOG have a terrible tendency not to set up their DosBox'd games very well which is a constant irritation for me when running them for the first time on my netbook.
Don't quote me on this but I think the different versions have different rights issues of their own. At least that's the impression I got with Earth 2140. Something about the publisher only being able to supply the Windows version. For years people asked for the DOS version and GOG finally got it though, so I'm not really sure.

It would be nice to have both but it's not gonna happen with most games I think, unless they have issues like Earth 2140 did and people get very upset.
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Fuzzyfireball: Edit: Also modify your Blood conf file. Blood runs silky smooth here.
read my previous post plox.