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Posted February 07, 2011
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predcon: I love your avatar....
Because you obviously work in hospitals or similar. And reading your words with that avatar in mind makes me lol.

Seriously, I do get where you're coming from. But I'll respond later. :)
Posted February 07, 2011
Well since we are throwing around rants and unverified statements...

I think your an idiot Predcon.

Obviously these words hurt some people but you shouldn't assume it hurts all gays.

Some gays are oversensitive and can become easily upset. Some are not.

Some people choose to rant about homophobic statements online because they know that if they did it in public their career would be over (however from the sounds of it you would welcome it)

Some lives are worth living. Yours isin't.

I also think your a closet homosexual trying desperately to rebuff the stereotype of being a 'homosexual fairy' in an inane attempt to get away from your true feelings. Constantly frustrated, you despise the advertisement because you think that when finally come to terms with your life you will be actually accepted.

Other than that.

I agree with number 2, but you need to understand the target audience for those adds are kids, who are easily susceptible to teasing and bullying.
Posted February 07, 2011
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predcon: Here's another caveat. If the PSA is going to point out that saying "That's gay" is harmful to all homosexuals, why not go ahead and point out another common vernacular, "That's retarded", which may be harmful to intellectually challenged individuals, as well as the parents and family of same?
yeah man I had the same furious outrage when I heard this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHPqvgKMAGQ

. I was all like "hey steve what about driving blind? How come you don't point out that shouldnt be done either?. What about mushrooms or acid? Do you ever mention that you should keep your windshield fluid filled for optimal visibility or else it might be dangerous to drive in certain conditions??? What about Nyquil or other medications that might make you sleepy behind the wheel? What if you ate a turkey filled with tryptophans? You don't mention any of these things in the song, and nobody else has mentioned these in song either , so your whole don't drive drunk message is fucking stupid"


FUCK YOU STEVIE WONDER.

and hey to you out there that have a problem with drunk drivers. Learn defensive driving and you won't have a problem of getting hit by one
Post edited February 07, 2011 by CaptainGyro
Posted February 07, 2011
Oh hey, look! A shitty thread!

While it would just be the bee's goddamned knees to roll around in the muck that constitutes this thread, I'll save myself the much greater effort I was inspired to go after and just say:
Welcome to a world made up of wildly different individuals! While it may be different from the world you recently came from where everyone thought like you, acted like you, and everything was great because everyone was you, this world isn't that one!
Posted February 07, 2011
To be fair, despite the inflammatory first post, there is a point somewhere buried there. Language evolves over time, word usage changes to adapt. Yes, some words are historically weighted and should not just be used as standard vernacular, but sometimes words do change simply through incorrect usage.

Take the word 'literally' for example - so many people use it incorrectly (most usually sports commentators - 'his feet were literally on fire' for example) that it's now actually accepted as an auto-antonym.

Whether or not we should actually accept the word 'gay' to mean 'bad' sadly isn't up to the gay community - it's literally (arf) up to the mass populous. I don't personally agree with the usage myself though.
Posted February 07, 2011
jesus christ it's a commercial saying that sometimes when you use that word, you might be upsetting someone, It's just trying to bring some awareness to people who might not have considered it before

I know it says "knock it off" or whatever but if the tagline just said "Please stop using the word gay as a pejorative if you don't mind. Or don't stop using it. The choice is yours.. It's not like we can totally stop you from using it that way. Besides... it doesn't even bother all gay people" well then that would be really weak.
Post edited February 07, 2011 by CaptainGyro
Posted February 07, 2011
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CaptainGyro: jesus christ it's a commercial saying that sometimes when you use that word, you might be upsetting someone, It's just trying to bring some awareness to people who might not have considered it before
I think his issue is not with the ad itself but the fact it's repeated so many times. I know webadverts are so cheap compared to TV slots that some companies and charities go way overboard on buying them so no matter how well meaning the ad most people will become sick of them or even angry at them having been made watch them 20 or 30 times.

I occasionally go to Sky's website after premier league games to watch manager interviews and for while there every single one was preceeded by a national road safety advert with some poor woman who is now disabled after an accident. I say poor woman but after having watched that same advert 20 times I was ready to punch her in the face.

Yeah not very nice of me to say that but thats what happens when you force people to watch the same thing over and over again. It's like A Clockwork Orange.
Posted February 07, 2011
no his main beef is with the ad itself. He briefly complains about it being on every 5 minutes, then says " whats even worse" and then goes on a few rants about the whole thing
Posted February 07, 2011
Very well then, I vote we replace every potentially inflammatory word with a variety of common bird.

"Duuuude - that's so chickadee!"

"You dumb sparrow!"

"You're a pigeoning goosehole, ya know that?"

"That son-of-a-condor, what does he know anyway?"
Posted February 07, 2011
People have tried to insult me by calling me beaner. You know what I say?

"Do you want some? They're really good."

Fact is, some gay people use "gay" in a derogatory manner. Most don't. I don't know who does or doesn't so I err on the side of caution and don't use it, period. :p
Post edited February 07, 2011 by Foxhack
Posted February 07, 2011
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predcon: I spent four years extracting various and sundry large chunks of foreign matter from people like myself, and then stitching them back together so they could go right back out and get shot up again so I can say to you "Don't fucking tell me I can't say 'that's gay'". You can tell me you disagree with what I say until you pass out from exhaustion, but don't tell me what I can and can't do. I don't agree with the whole ban on homosexual marriage issue. If they want to legally bind themselves to each other and deal with all that "who gets what when we eventually get a divorce?" crap, then let them.

I won't tell you not to call me a bigot, but I will tell you that I "heartily disagree" with that sentiment.

I will tell you that I spend day after day, patching up morons who are too stupid to exist on this planet without the charitable assistance of their fellow man. Drunk drivers, overdosing teenagers, shot-up rednecks, etc. I do it because I hope that one of these days these idiots that I snatch from the jaws of certain doom will go on to pave the way for humanity's Golden Age of Peace and Prosperity. So bigot or not, my ego is satisfied enough that I really don't give a fuck what you think.

And when exactly did "gay" go from being a synonym for "happy" and "joyful", lauded in song and film, to being a synonym for "homosexual"? Why should only one group of people of a certain sexual orientation have complete and total ownership of a word that originally had nothing to do with them at all? Show me where it says they own the word, and maybe I'll possibly think about not saying it anymore.
You really need to read up on your history. "Gay" was a sort of a codename back several decades ago so that we could identify each other without being arrested. That was during the time when beards were common and gays and lesbians were regularly arrested.

Now, if you don't wish to be called a bigot, my recommendation is that you take your head out of your ass and study up on the issue. Being gay is not like being Black or Latino. And your behavior really just continues the system of oppression. Blacks and Latinos at least have all their civil rights, I don't.
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Gremmi: To be fair, despite the inflammatory first post, there is a point somewhere buried there. Language evolves over time, word usage changes to adapt. Yes, some words are historically weighted and should not just be used as standard vernacular, but sometimes words do change simply through incorrect usage.

Take the word 'literally' for example - so many people use it incorrectly (most usually sports commentators - 'his feet were literally on fire' for example) that it's now actually accepted as an auto-antonym.

Whether or not we should actually accept the word 'gay' to mean 'bad' sadly isn't up to the gay community - it's literally (arf) up to the mass populous. I don't personally agree with the usage myself though.
I think the issue there is that gays and lesbians are still actively discriminated against and that unlike the groups the OP was comparing us to, we don't have all our civil rights. There's still quite a few rights which we don't have and a substantial amount of discrimination. Unlike with Blacks, Latinos, women and most other groups, politicians can still score quite a few cheap points at our expense in most parts of the country gay bashing. The only other group I can think of off the top of my head where that's the case is Muslims.
Post edited February 07, 2011 by hedwards
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