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Anyone have good DOSbox Settings for the games?
I think it worked like this

A few years back they were abandoned ware that could be downloaded freely and ran in DOSBox.

Then EA laid claim to the abandon ware so abandon ware sites had to take the games down.

EA is now doing absolutely nothing with them.

So nobody can ever have them again.

How do you like dem apples?
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Starkrun: Anyone have good DOSbox Settings for the games?
Here are mine.
I play on dynamic core, with about 50000 cycles, on a 2.2GHz Athlon X2. It plays smooth. But i bet i could make it work even better.;)
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Starkrun: Anyone have good DOSbox Settings for the games?
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Vagabond: Here are mine.
Beautiful, thank you!
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carnival73: I think it worked like this

A few years back they were abandoned ware that could be downloaded freely and ran in DOSBox.

Then EA laid claim to the abandon ware so abandon ware sites had to take the games down.

EA is now doing absolutely nothing with them.

So nobody can ever have them again.

How do you like dem apples?
Sigh....

How many times do we have to go over this here. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "ABANDONWARE". All software, regardless of who made it or when it was made, belongs to someone, in this case, EA, the original publisher of the Crusader games. EA might not currently be selling them, but that does not mean either game has been "abandoned" nor does it mean that it is free to distribute or download.

All software sites that claim to offer "abandonware" are in fact promoting software piracy. The only difference between abandonware sites and a regular piracy source is the abandonware sites choose an easier target (games no one is actually selling) and they are able to rationalize their piracy as "preserving gaming history" or some other load of BS.

It sucks that EA has chosen to not do anything with the Crusader property, but it is their property to do with as they please, even if that means they are "taking their ball and going home" in a manner of speaking. We can only hope that GOG is working hard to get them on board and maybe bring the Crusader games into the GOG library.
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cogadh: Sigh....

How many times do we have to go over this here. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "ABANDONWARE". All software, regardless of who made it or when it was made, belongs to someone, in this case, EA, the original publisher of the Crusader games. EA might not currently be selling them, but that does not mean either game has been "abandoned" nor does it mean that it is free to distribute or download.

All software sites that claim to offer "abandonware" are in fact promoting software piracy. The only difference between abandonware sites and a regular piracy source is the abandonware sites choose an easier target (games no one is actually selling) and they are able to rationalize their piracy as "preserving gaming history" or some other load of BS.

It sucks that EA has chosen to not do anything with the Crusader property, but it is their property to do with as they please, even if that means they are "taking their ball and going home" in a manner of speaking. We can only hope that GOG is working hard to get them on board and maybe bring the Crusader games into the GOG library.
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GameRager: 1. Yes there is such a thing as abandonware technically. Just because it isn't legal or morally right to most doesn't mean the term and what it applies to doesn't exist. Abandonware=Games for which the rights holders/etc have abandoned attempts at sale for a period of 5+ years and which have little to no chance at ever being resold again in the future. It's a term, and it exists....get used to it, but don't say the term isn't real or applicable to anything.

And no shit they aren't legal to download, but alot of stuff that's illegal people still do and support like marijuana usage/etc. We already know the things we may do are illegal so again stop reminding us of it as it's kinda unnecessary and headache inducing.

2. Software piracy or not imo there's a moral difference between offering games for download that can't be bought new or used anywhere and which haven't been sold in years and aren't likely to ever be sold again over people pirating/offering up newer games for download that people are still making money on and producing. Also some of these sites DO preserve gaming history.....look at how some games on Gog/etc don't have all the extras and artworks/etc because that stuff was lost to the ravages of time. Half the time Gog/etc offer extras it's because they either had them at home or some abandonware site preserved them so that newer generations could experience them and so that they wouldn't be lost forever.

3. Kiss corporate ass much? Sorry, but there's a time to support the law and there's a time to rally against it if alebit for one's own moral reasons......follow your moral compass not a legal bulwark if the legal bulwark is found to be a detriment and hazard to any aspect of culture or society.
Wow, that was better spoken than I could've done. Kudos for that.
Please, don't taint the blessed Crusader thread with that discussion again.
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GameRager: 1. Yes there is such a thing as abandonware technically. Just because it isn't legal or morally right to most doesn't mean the term and what it applies to doesn't exist. Abandonware=Games for which the rights holders/etc have abandoned attempts at sale for a period of 5+ years and which have little to no chance at ever being resold again in the future. It's a term, and it exists....get used to it, but don't say the term isn't real or applicable to anything.

And no shit they aren't legal to download, but alot of stuff that's illegal people still do and support like marijuana usage/etc. We already know the things we may do are illegal so again stop reminding us of it as it's kinda unnecessary and headache inducing.

2. Software piracy or not imo there's a moral difference between offering games for download that can't be bought new or used anywhere and which haven't been sold in years and aren't likely to ever be sold again over people pirating/offering up newer games for download that people are still making money on and producing. Also some of these sites DO preserve gaming history.....look at how some games on Gog/etc don't have all the extras and artworks/etc because that stuff was lost to the ravages of time. Half the time Gog/etc offer extras it's because they either had them at home or some abandonware site preserved them so that newer generations could experience them and so that they wouldn't be lost forever.

3. Kiss corporate ass much? Sorry, but there's a time to support the law and there's a time to rally against it if alebit for one's own moral reasons......follow your moral compass not a legal bulwark if the legal bulwark is found to be a detriment and hazard to any aspect of culture or society.
1. Sorry, but that is the biggest pile of bullshit I have read on these forums in a long time. The entire concept and definition of abandonware was created by those who were trying to justify their reasons for engaging in software piracy. It is nothing more than a rationalization designed to appease the consciences of both those who supply abandonware and those who download it, nothing more.

If you are going to try and equate abandonware to marijuana usage, you've already lost the fight. Unlike abandonware, marijuana actually has testable and provable legitimate uses beyond the illegal uses so many partake in. Abandonware simply claims to have a legitimate purpose when...

2. The fact is, free illegal downloads are not "software preservation" they are simply piracy. If you want to preserve software, then store your original game disks and materials in a proper manner, don't give it away for free to everyone who is too lazy and cheap to find and buy their own copy (I have never seen an "abandonware" game that I couldn't also find on eBay, Amazon, my local thrift store, etc.). If abandonware sites really wanted to preserve gaming for future generations, they would do the right thing and get permission from the correct rights holder to offer the games for download and if they can't get that, then store the materials until they can. Honestly, the only real software preserver I have found on the internet is GOG, simply because they are actually doing the right thing.

3. Kiss pirate ass much? It is flawed logic like yours that drives publishers to do stupid things like "always on" internet based copy protection that end up hurting everyone else who doesn't feel the need to illegally download games. You are right, there is a time to support the law and then there is a time to follow your own conscience, but do you seriously consider games to be the tent pole of your personal revolution against "the man"? Pick your battles better; there are far worse things going on in this world that we all should be fighting against and there are much better ways to "fight the good fight" than breaking the law.
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carnival73: Wow, that was better spoken than I could've done. Kudos for that.
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GameRager: I'm just amazed someone else said I spoke well on something.....it's like a 1,000,000:1 shot or something.

And besides legitimately(for the right reasons or no) preserving some of gaming history these sites also help in many others ways.......some pirates may download an abandonware game and get interested in a new series or genre and might try to buy newer games in the series/genre that those publishers put up for sale(online or offline), thus giving more revenue to the publishers. They may also petition for certain series they pirated and liked to be renewed and resold on Gog/etc and when/if such happens they may just buy legally offered copies here or elsewhere.
That's how Eidos sold me all of their future release of Tomb Raider after the first one.
Cogath, some people tend to look to this issue in an Lawful Extreme.

A lot of those games that abandonware sites still host, the game companies that developed them are very well aware of and if those companies actually mind all they have to do is fire an email to the abandonware site and the site will quickly and respectfully remove it.

But a lot of the companies don't mind if the software is old and never going to available for purchase again and no longer has a market.

We're not saying that is right to do something in the Chaotic Extreme like get Witcher 2 from GoG DRM free and torrent it out to the whole entire world.

But abandonware, most of which actually is Warez from the 90's, is one of those petty instances that is grey area.

It just gets frustrating when people go to the extreme to vilify it.

And a lot of that dusty old crap you couldn't pay me to take for free anyway.

I mean let's put it this way: I have fond memories of Crusader but after all the new stuff that I've played recently I have to honestly wonder how much more time I would put into that game right now before I came to the conclusion that I was kidding myself and decided to maintain those fond memories by uninstalling and deleting.
Post edited February 04, 2011 by carnival73
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GameRager: I find myself to be neutral good........I follow no law I find isn't morally right or is unjust and follow the rest, and have allegiance to both proper law and thing I find morally proper.
I'm pretty much the same way, I live in a manner so as not to be an inconvenience to others but find myself more competent than the law when the law is overly righteous and petty.

Too much order generates more chaos than the chaos it was attempting to prevent.
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carnival73: I'm pretty much the same way, I live in a manner so as not to be an inconvenience to others but find myself more competent than the law when the law is overly righteous and petty.

Too much order generates more chaos than the chaos it was attempting to prevent.
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GameRager: Look at all the silly or insane laws still on the books in many areas to see how being lawful to feel lawful for whatever reason isn't always a good thing to do(or the prudent thing to do in some instances given some of the older laws), especially if you're one of the mindset of being lawful simply for the sake of being lawful.

I'd even go so far as to challenge any strictly & to the letter type lawfully minded people on GOG to follow each and every one of the older laws still on the books today and see if being 100% lawful is the way to go for them.
I've often said both in America and here in NZ that I would like to follow these lawmakers around every day for a week with a camera and tally them every time they step outside of their own laws.

Also, obnoxious laws without exception are really bad. We have a no spanking law over here to discourage child beating but some children still do need light slaps on the butt to set them straight.

I can understand incarcerating someone for beating their kid black and blue but if a katty mother uses a little smack to send another desperate housewife up the river as strategy to get her out of the neighborhood for awhile, I sure hope the judges and juries are clever.
Post edited February 04, 2011 by carnival73
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carnival73: I've often said both in America and here in NZ that I would like to follow these lawmakers around every day for a week with a camera and tally them every time they step outside of their own laws.

Also, obnoxious laws without exception are really bad. We have a no spanking law over here to discourage child beating but some children still do need light slaps on the butt to set them straight.

I can understand incarcerating someone for beating their kid black and blue but if a katty mother uses a little smack to send another desperate housewife up the river as strategy to get her out of the neighborhood for awhile, I sure hope the judges and juries are clever.
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GameRager: Blanket laws suck....they're partially why my bro and the parents got in trouble years back....they disciplined him and the school nurse saw it, & OF COURSE protective services HAD to step in for "his safety". Because of that incident and some other crap(like my bro totally being a twit and instigating some stuff leading to MORE discipline), and blanket laws which allow children to hit adults but not vice versa(even for discipline/etc) my bro walked all over my parents and got them in trouble and himself in a placement facility until he turned 18.

Of course we TRIED getting him home earlier, but because we didn't 100% go along with their way of thinking on every little thing they(as the ones with the power, sadly) "testified" at each hearing that it was unsafe for him to come home or some such bullshit.
Sorry to hear it man.

NZ isn't too bad but it is obvious that everything you can think of over here has a law written against it to make it easier and quicker to get through the red tape of incarcerting people they feel are fellons but normally wouldn't have much warrant to get them put away quick enough to prevent them from shenanigans.

The problem with this though is that other citicizens that might be in disagreement with other citizens can overexaggerate instances and use this as strategy to take out a competitor temporarily.