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Just to elaborate: I don't watch My Little Pony. I want to try some day thou.
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Jaime: Because in so many ways it bugs the hell out of me. It strikes me as a collective display of absolute nihilism. Glorifying a show that is aimed at little girls is basically an attack against intellectualism and art. If such a show is worth identifying with, then basically everything is, which means that everything is meaningless. It reminds me of the "everything is shit" mentality of Team America, or of people who love to watch "so bad they're good" movies. It's akin to saying that all art, and by extension everything in life, is meaningless, and while this is probably true, I still find it a very unappealing philosophy to celebrate.
Have you ever considered the possibility that when intelligent and tasteful people like a show about little ponies, it might just be intelligent and tasteful, even thou maybe childish? I have seen one part, didn't watch it further for the lack of time - technically, the show IS good. It's well drawn and especially it doesn't think children are idiots...
I have seen Lion King for the first time last year and really, really liked it - A LOT. Does that degrade art?
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Jaime: The whole thing strikes me as very cowardly, too. You could think that celebrating a children's show is something bold for a grown man to do, but it's actually very much the opposite. "Bronies" can't be made fun of, because if you try, hey, the joke's on you! It's basically a way of avoiding all ridicule and criticism that normally comes with identifying with ideals or philosophies. And it's not even that Bronies are above such criticism and ridicule – they're actually below it, creeping so low that they can't be hit anymore.
No, it just sounds like a defence mechanism. People are idiots and WILL poke fun at those who watch My Little Pony. If they don't wish to keep it secret - and keeping something you like from others IS cowardly - they just have to put up with a lot of idiots who poke fun at them. Thus they got to the point where they're above it.
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Jaime: Or is the whole thing more about nostalgia? I don't find this thought appealing, either. Everybody longs for innocence and childhood from time to time, and sure, life's hard and unfair, but pretending to be a child again is just as defeatist as the "everything is shit, anyway" mentality described earlier.
Pretending to be something you're not is the whole point of computer games. Why are you here? Besides, I like people who can be childish, I haven't got a clue why would that be wrong.

Look, maybe I misunderstood something you said, maybe I just got something wrong and I really, really hope I did, because you sound like a reasonable person. Still, your OP sounds like the worst kind of elitism. There will always be a part of child in every grown up - and show that stimulates that part so much that people put it's parts into their avatars is not bad - on the contrary, it's amazing.

Sure, it just sounds plain weird when some people want to do My little pony cosplay or whatever, but that's usually a minority and doesn't present the whole collective.

And I for one want more weird things like this, it'll make people more diverse, it'll bring more people together and ... That's what makes people amazing and beautiful, after all.

I'm sorry if my post is messy or doesn't make too much sence, I still have trouble expressing my feelings in english.

Disclaimer: I STILL hate people, I just watched too much Doctor Who apparently :D
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That was bizarre and disturbing.
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KingOfDust: You can't just take a simple explanation and hold it above your head in an old-school Zelda-like fashion declaring it's the true motivation behind the "brony" movement. There's probably as many true explanations as there are individuals who consider themselves "bronies".

That being said, a big contributing factor is that the show is actually good. At least if you're into character-centric shows (as opposed to shows focused on style or plot, though MLP:FiM definitely has some style too). Of course there's also the fact that people with common interests tend to gather in communities, and belonging to a large, dynamic, "new" community is something that will appeal to a significant number of people. Whether it started as a "joke" or not is irrelevant, it has grown beyond that.
fair enough, but I think you're missing the entire point of my original post. I'm saying that I think it's ridiculous to be reading all sorts of scholarly subliminal messages into the MLP craze, as the OP is doing.
Post edited November 03, 2011 by jefequeso
I was kinda puzzled by non-ironical fandom of that thing as well, because mere looking at images makes me feel like all my teeth start developing cavities at alarming rate, so horrendously sweet it seems to be. But then, almost all dudes I know are verily into sweets, cookies, candies and whatnot, so hey. Figures. :-)
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Dat... ass?
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O.o
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Jaime: If you publicly identify with, and invest a lot of time in, something that has demonstratively no point, then you're making the statement that identifying with anything has no point, which is indeed nihilism.
"demonstratively no point"
If you just stated an opinion that would be one thing. But you claimed it was demonstrable, so do it. I want a well formed argument that clearly defines every step of the logical process including the initial assumptions, none of this pseudo-intellectualism where you throw around unsupported opinions using pretentious language. All it takes is for someone to think it is fun to have a point, so you have quite an uphill battle unless you can demonstrate that fun is pointless.

"I don't find it enjoyable so others that claim to must be wrong" won't cut it unless you can prove it. I think you are just a guy/gal with an opinion and can demonstrate nothing. Of course that is perfectly normal and expected, unless you claim otherwise.

If that sounds like a lot of work, and it should, consider this: Why should you get a pass if you cannot live up to a high standard, but MLP not? Why should we listen to you if you cannot show yourself to be any less "pointless" by an objective standard?

I and probably many others here have never seen MLP, so this should be relatively easy. Our first exposure to it, outside of seeing avatars, can be defined by you if you are as willing to put a fraction of the work into your own statements as you seem to expect out of entertainment.
Post edited November 03, 2011 by Sfon
Dude, stop trying to be deep about a show aimed at kids. Go troll TV Tropes or something.
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KingOfDust: You can't just take a simple explanation and hold it above your head in an old-school Zelda-like fashion declaring it's the true motivation behind the "brony" movement. There's probably as many true explanations as there are individuals who consider themselves "bronies".

That being said, a big contributing factor is that the show is actually good. At least if you're into character-centric shows (as opposed to shows focused on style or plot, though MLP:FiM definitely has some style too). Of course there's also the fact that people with common interests tend to gather in communities, and belonging to a large, dynamic, "new" community is something that will appeal to a significant number of people. Whether it started as a "joke" or not is irrelevant, it has grown beyond that.
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jefequeso: fair enough, but I think you're missing the entire point of my original post. I'm saying that I think it's ridiculous to be reading all sorts of scholarly subliminal messages into the MLP craze, as the OP is doing.
My post was more directed at the thread in general than you specifically, though the last sentence was mostly in relation to some of your posts (Still more of a comment on the overall subject than as a direct reply). I did get the point of your first post too, and I agree with you, the OP is trying to read too deeply into this.
Post edited November 03, 2011 by KingOfDust
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Jaime: It strikes me as a collective display of absolute nihilism. Glorifying a show that is aimed at little girls is basically an attack against intellectualism and art. If such a show is worth identifying with, then basically everything is, which means that everything is meaningless. It reminds me of the "everything is shit" mentality of Team America, or of people who love to watch "so bad they're good" movies. It's akin to saying that all art, and by extension everything in life, is meaningless, and while this is probably true, I still find it a very unappealing philosophy to celebrate.
Oh, please... You come from the country that gave us Nietzsche and the best you can come up with is "nihilism" ? Consider "Lebensphilosophie" and existentialism.
As for art - it sounds pretty bourgeois-esque to assume that this is embracing worthlessness. Why - just because it falls outside of what is usually considered "proper" to contemplate and appreciate ? Any fool can visit the opera or an art gallery and feign respect for things he doesn't enjoy. That's pretentious.
It's not anti-intellectualism either. Consider this: if a person can derive meaningful thoughts and impressions from something "shallow", is she better than a person merely scraping the surface of what's considered "profound" ? I don't think so - the stance is more about personal application of mental faculties than the material which serves as its beacon.
Even if you discard all of my previous arguments - there are plenty of shallow activities people engage in, such as eating or sex. Are they anti-intellectual ? If they serve as the only driving force behind a person's life - quite likely (after all - starting out as animals do, we should strive to surpass them, or so the ancients insisted). Otherwise - they're simply a part of life, not necessarily the one which defines us mentally...

Lastly - I approve of people doing all sorts of weird stuff and being passionate about it. It beats the hell out of following societal rules and being apathetic.
Post edited November 03, 2011 by Vestin