timppu: They could be transparent, and show something extra on top of the real world. Or something. I think there are some simple mobile apps that work that way already, they take the world they see through the camera, and "enhance" it somehow.

Elmofongo: Since I posted a pretty shitty article and believed it until my GOG friends opened my eyes and made me read what she really said then let me say one thing:

FUCK YOU JIM STERLING FOR MISLEADING ME AND MAKING ME GET MY FIRST LOW RATED STATMENT YOU PRICK!


damn if jim was wrong here what other articles he made that was misleading and wrong

Elmofongo: I edited it and it now shows the source article not the borrowed one from destructoid

oh and imo i do not think the tech will come period to the further the battlefield example
there is also the problem of not controlling your movements well like for example you accidently ran and knocked over the TV. there is also the matter of turning around and strafing and proning etc etc etc they are so many issues that prevent full body gaming for all kinds of games

Crassmaster: A lot of them. Sterling actually does do some interesting stuff, but a lot of his material is rather obviously just him trolling for hits.

orcishgamer: The tech is in an "uncanny valley" part of its development right now where some shit is more uncomfortable than using a more abstract input. You cannot tell me a Star Trek TNG holodeck wouldn't beat the everliving shit out of a controller for most games and we don't need a reach holodeck type levels before beating the controller. The fact is Jade Raymond is 100% correct, controllers are not intuitive, which is why platforms rely on a shared training experience (e.g. in platform type games X will typically be your default attack on XBox 360 games). If you can't hand it to an 85 year old and they just "know" how it works, it's not intuitive (this goes for any product, btw, and is also why I'll argue Metro is a step in the right direction, because for lack of a clear direction we do need to be trying different stuff to find something that works, even if it's trying blindly). Just because "you" know how to use it doesn't make it intuitive, in fact 100% of the population could know how to use something that is STILL not intuitive if them knowing how to use it required training.
orcishgamer: I totally agree. I've met the guy in person, he's likeable, he really is. A lot of his stuff is so insightful, even if filled with stylized and non-serious humor (which is way more self deprecating than his critics would have you believe), that it drives me crazy when he basically takes shit out of context and trolls for a flame war. Companies deserve to be taken to task for actual problems, not made up shit, we expect them to listen to us whine on a regular basis but then cry wolf at the slightest provocation, I just can't see how that's going to work out in our favor in the end.

Elmofongo: sorry for getting a little off topic but it still shows this negativity in gaming this generation it even affected me thus resulted in this thread

orcishgamer: I'll be honest, I've gotten tired of it too. Yes, things have been bad in the past. Ironically EA has actually been doing a mostly good job of late and no one seems to want to throw the bone of encouragement or, heck, even a thank you!

I'm all for bitching when shit is wrong, I've done it a lot more than I probably deserved myself, I just don't have the energy or the will to care about anything that isn't soul destroying anymore. And you know what? Nothing changed after I stopped caring other than I was happier more of the time and got to play more games... yep, good enough for me (even if it's a bit self centered and selfish).

timppu: Lately I've been complaining how murderously hard game Halo 2 on XBox is to me. I seem to get stuck in every scenario now, even though I'm still in the beginning of the game. I did get past the hard hangar section eventually (and forgot to save the game afterwards as I thought the game has autosave, so I actually had to beat that part twice), but now I am similarly stuck in the next section, albeit it feels a bit more manageable.

Since I didn't recall having similar problems with the original Halo on Legendary difficulty (PC version), I had to reinstall Halo two days ago and try it a bit. My memory served me right, it does feel very challenging at times, but in a good way. In no way does it feel "impossible" even on Legendary level, even though many parts need lots of tries. So now I started replaying the original Halo, and enjoying it quite a bit. Just yesterday I passed the quite hard part where you are in a room in the enemy base/space station where enemies keep pouring from four doors, among them several hard-to-kill elites who kill your team mates (or you, if they catch you) with one swipe from the sword.

I'm now wondering it this is just due to having to use the XBox gamepad with Halo 2. I guess I should buy Halo 2 PC cheaply somewhere, to check whether it feels much more manageable with mouse+kb. That would conclude whether my Halo 2 problems are just with the controls. Mind you, I don't feel I'm a beginner with gamepad FPS games, I've played them ever since PSX times, when I bought the first Medal of Honor game for it. I've played many of them on PS2 too. But I've always felt a bit uneasy with them, like trying to shoot a gun or write with my left hand. I can do it, but I'd rather not.

Halo PC also reminded me how you can make good PC controls for a console port. I set up my gamepad for the driving parts of Halo, but in the end the mouse+kb seems to work better even for them, as the Halo driving controls are quite extraordinary. I'm not sure how the driving parts are implemented in the XBox version of the first Halo.


tl;dr: please no forced gamepad support for FPS games.

orcishgamer: If you thought Halo 2 was hard on Legendary you should try Reach, where even the lowliest of enemy can throw grenades like a pitching machine.

torqual76: Hello,

i do not like the consequences this Jade Raymondi's opinion implies.

The logic goes: To reach a wider audience we need to simplify our games. The simpler the controls the more people you can attract to your games. The most simple game would be a movie without control options, reaching the widest audience possible.

Elmofongo: Ugh thanks alot orcishgamer you just reminded me of those fucking Elites in Reach that were practically trained by Chuck Norris

orcishgamer: If you thought Halo 2 was hard on Legendary you should try Reach, where even the lowliest of enemy can throw grenades like a pitching machine.

timppu: ...