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Azarr: "Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they failed to do in disciplining their unruly children
It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer

Panadol, sun lotion or a sticky plaster to a student; but, could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone."
Rated positive for being sadly so true in todays society
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Aliasalpha: Surely you mean "everyone is to blame but me and my kid for my kid being an idiot."
Good call.

I started college wanting to be a teacher but changed my mind, and one of the reasons for that was the idea of dealing with slacker kids whose parents and the government blame me for their low grades.
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Azarr: blah blah blah
Bah, Racial segregation used to be accepted as being "common sense" by a lot of people. Very rarely is the term actually used for stuff like "wear safety goggles and gloves while using power tools." For the most part it's just a phrase people use to defend stupid statements, or politicians use to sway people to their will by proposing "common sense tax laws" or whatever.
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Azarr: "snip."
That was a good read, thank you
Whatever she "should/could/must" have done to be considered responsible, the real issue behind this one is that with loads of web-based stuff there's an the "opt-out" rather than "opt-in" philosophy. It's a problem with the security-settings on social-networking sites where the default is share everything, rather than share nothing, it's definitely a problem with stores like these; the sensible, customer friendly thing would be to NOT permanently store/reveal information that might harm the user, by default. Automatic debiting of a card IS a security risk; it circumvents all that financial institutes are required to do to make sure bank accounts are at least somewhat protected. Yes there are parental controls - but, honestly - this IS the wrong way round.

So, yeah, the ha-ha stupid person thing is useless to focus on; what really would be "common sense" would be that customer protection comes first, rather than dubious "convenience" settings that need to be specifically disabled. Of course I am not so naive to not know that that "opt-out" philosophy won out for a reason (facebook needs as much data to be as accessible to advertisers as possible for their profits to flow and "free money, yay, suckers" is funny for those that receive it), but yeah, it's sensible and necessary to get mad about that design philosophy being just accepted and embraced.

/rant.
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Mnemon: Whatever she "should/could/must" have done to be considered responsible, the real issue behind this one is that with loads of web-based stuff there's an the "opt-out" rather than "opt-in" philosophy. It's a problem with the security-settings on social-networking sites where the default is share everything, rather than share nothing, it's definitely a problem with stores like these; the sensible, customer friendly thing would be to NOT permanently store/reveal information that might harm the user, by default. Automatic debiting of a card IS a security risk; it circumvents all that financial institutes are required to do to make sure bank accounts are at least somewhat protected. Yes there are parental controls - but, honestly - this IS the wrong way round.

So, yeah, the ha-ha stupid person thing is useless to focus on; what really would be "common sense" would be that customer protection comes first, rather than dubious "convenience" settings that need to be specifically disabled. Of course I am not so naive to not know that that "opt-out" philosophy won out for a reason (facebook needs as much data to be as accessible to advertisers as possible for their profits to flow and "free money, yay, suckers" is funny for those that receive it), but yeah, it's sensible and necessary to get mad about that design philosophy being just accepted and embraced.

/rant.
You just won the thread.
I think the debate here is between what is legal and what is ethical. I'm sure what MS is doing is perfectly legal and so is making obscure EULA's that require a law-degree to understand but is it ethical to do so? My answer is a resounding NO!

Most who call her stuipd don't know how hard it is to be a single-parent and working also. Should she have read and understood everything beforehand? Yes, sure but not all are as tech-savvy as those who visit a site like GoG. My parents could easily have done the same with me as this mother did for her kid - granted I'm 34 and my mom is 60 but they don't know a whole lot about Internet-security and stuff. I hold a Master's Degree but I often find it hard to understand these EULAs and if a lawyer wanted to cheat me it wouldn't be that hard. This is further complicated by many of us don't speak English as a native language.

So I agree with Orcishgamer and others who said: Don't blame the victum here.
Post edited February 11, 2011 by jepsen1977
This topic seemed like a good place to post a link to this story.