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orcishgamer: You're reacting to symmetry of facial features for just one example, physical cues instead of other cues. You sort of missed the point man.

The thread is about beauty, not admiration, that's all I'm speaking about.
Since everything you mentioned on your other post relates to physical atraction and not to beauty i think there's a tiny chance that it is you who've missed the point right from the get go, but whatever.

That comment about admiration probably comes from the fact that i used Brad Pit as an example, and i guess that was a bad example because he's a star and whatnot, but that wasn't what i was getting at. My point is i don't have to inhale someone's pheromones to find that someone beautiful like you implied when you said we're all responding SPECIALLY to pheromone cues.

On the 'cues' thing, if i got it right we are all responding to cues to establish beauty, and that removes the subjectivity from the equation, right ? So, do we respond objectively to those cues ? Are those cues themselves objective ?

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Vestin: If there was truly NOTHING objective/inter-subjective about beauty - you would be wasting your breath, trying to articulate something which could not be understood by another human being
And ? You make it sound like being unable to explain to others how/why something is beautiful never happens. To me it looks like that happens all the time.
I attribute beauty to any appeal of our senses that causes a direct positive emotional/psychological response.

I think that just about sums it up for me anyway.
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RowdyRodimus: that's a good question and here are the answers

The Spider-Man issue was all set in a room (save for when he and the girl went web swinging) with a little girl and SPider-Man. She had been a fan of his for years and collected everything she could about him. Near the end she asked if she could see who he really was, he hesitated for a few minutes but them removed his mask and told her everything.
He leaves and shows him crying, one of the last images shows that she is living in a hospital for terminally ill children implying that she will soon be gone.

The beauty of it was that it showed the kind of things that can be done in art of every kind, you can change up the normal flow (in this case, super heroes usually always just fight bad guys every issue) and do something different. It also shows that everyone is important to someone and that no matter how bad things are for you, there is always someone worse off and it's part of our duty as people to try and make things better for others in any way we can. I actually cried reading it and used it since then to try and help others whenever possible.

The Wrestlemania match is beautiful to me as not only a wrestling fan but as a wrestler. It was perfect in every way and should be used for anyone who wants to learn how to tell a story that gets the crowd into it. It's one of the few matches in WWF I've ever seen that can be watched by a first time viewer and they will understand everything that is going on even without commentary. If you've never seen it look for it on youtube and you'll see what I mean.

The Transformers one is a bit odd (even to me) but after seeing the Michael Bay movies and seeing the complex transformations that turn a car into a walking pile of scrap with a head, the simple five to eight moves that it takes to turn a semi into Optimus Prime or whichever one you're looking at, and to still give them an individual character so thehy don't all look alike is perfect. It's less about the Transformers and more the simplicity of things I find beautiful, it's one of the reasons I prefer John ROmita, Sr. to Jim Lee for example.
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wpegg: I'm glad you explained, I see where you're coming from with the spiderman thing. Not being a wrestler I find that harder, but I believe that beauty is also contained in diversity. The transformers thing, yes beautiful, in some ways amazing. I would recommend the Siberia games to you. I think you'd like them.
Here's a link to the end of the match, it's a submission match meaning you have to make your opponent give up. Bret is the good guy and Steve is the bad guy in the beginning, but by the end of the match the roles are reversed. It was the match that made Austin and paved the way for him to become arguably the biggest moneymaker of all time even though he lost the match. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIGbdhlV3uo&feature=related
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Vestin: If there was truly NOTHING objective/inter-subjective about beauty - you would be wasting your breath, trying to articulate something which could not be understood by another human being
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Namur: And ? You make it sound like being unable to explain to others how/why something is beautiful never happens.
No. I'm trying to suggest that it might NOT ALWAYS happen. If there is a way to convey such ideas, there has to be something we all can access that allows such communication.

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Namur: To me it looks like that happens all the time.
There are, no doubt, subtleties we can't express through words - there is no way to let a person inside your mind and show them how you experience the color red, feel pain or are exhausted. We HOPE that we designate the same phenomena when using words (which are, by their very nature, impersonal)...
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RowdyRodimus: Yeah, they used to F up the animation (although they have fixed that in the new DVD releases)
Are you SERIOUS??? Thats as bad as greedo shooting first!!
I tend to study illustrations for psychological impact. The illustrations I appreciate the most usually have a valiant yet dark ambiance to them as if to suggest both sides of the mind were working in cooperation when the artist was painting.

I'm not really into anything tacky or gory and stray away from anything that proposes hidden metaphysical concepts.

I find the most beauty in fantasy illustrations, many of which can be found through Google Images searching for "Fantasy."

As for beauty in people. Aesthetically I'm drawn to color coordination, originality and a few triggers.

But the beauty of a person's stance stands out to me the most. I like the people, whom like myself, present themselves as "I'm no Superman and not going to pretend to be either so wake me when this over."

I like Cinderella before she gets hit up with all the bling.
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Vestin: No. I'm trying to suggest that it might NOT ALWAYS happen. If there is a way to convey such ideas, there has to be something we all can access that allows such communication.
And there is, it's the innate ability we all share to know beauty that i really believe it's the only objective part of the eqaution.

If i say to you, 'That's beautifull' i may not be able to explain to you how or why i find it beautifull, but you still know what i mean because, just like me, you have the innate ability to know beauty. The way in which you apply the procees of assigning a subjective quality to whatever the object in question might be may lead you to the same end result i got or not, but regardless, you still know exactly what i mean when i say 'that's beautiful'. So, there was in fact communication, no?

As for the how's and why's, there are indeed ways to convey some of them, but do those ideas bring any objectivity to the table ? After all, tthe ways in which those ideas are intrepreted relates alot more to the subjectivity on the subject of beauty of whoever is at the receiving end than with any objectivity, which to me is non existant, of the ideas you're sending across.
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RowdyRodimus: the simple five to eight moves that it takes to turn a semi into Optimus Prime
Now if that isn't a double-entendre, I don't know what is! You get some positive rep for that!