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tburger: This is what I'm hoping to avoid. Damned circle: Buy sth, throw it away after 3 years, buy another one bigger, use it for 2 years, throw it because you can buy even BIGGER at the same price...
Like you say, the technology is improving all the time. A cheap model now is still a hell of a lot better than any one you could have bought 5 years ago.

Paying a lot more for a monitor just for the possibility of it lasting a few years more seems counter intuitive given your minimal needs.

Compare that to buying cheap models every five years or so and what you're proposing is looking to spend a lot more on what may well in the long run be lower quality. And like I say there's no guarantee that the expensive monitor will outlive the cheaper one.
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tburger: I've got a "modern" GF9600GT in my PCIExpress slot AND Voodoo3 in PCI slot.
That's an odd marriage. But sometimes those are the ones that work out best.
Post edited November 13, 2010 by Navagon
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Navagon: Afford it? Due to the relative obscurity of 5:4, 16:10 should work out cheaper now.
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tburger: True...It's because 2 reasons: 16:10 LCDs are now mainstream so you get "scale efect" and if you buy 16:10 LCD physical size of panel is 28% lower than 5:4 LCD. Let's stick with 16 cm width panel. In 16:10 panel will have 16x10=160 cm^2, in 5:4 you will get 16x16/1.25=204.8cm^2. I was always wondering when producers introduced "panoramic" panels they cared for HD stuff or they just wanted to have some cost reductions per LCD produced :-)
Mainstream? They were more mainstream when I bought my present 16:10 a year or so ago.
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Navagon: Compare that to buying cheap models every five years or so and what you're proposing is looking to spend a lot more on what may well in the long run be lower quality. And like I say there's no guarantee that the expensive monitor will outlive the cheaper one.
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tburger: I've got a "modern" GF9600GT in my PCIExpress slot AND Voodoo3 in PCI slot.
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Navagon: That's an odd marriage. But sometimes those are the ones that work out best.
1.True, and that's what this story will probably end.
2. It's nice to see that hardware accelerated 3dfx logo again :-)
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tburger: I was talking mainly about times when LCDs were INTRODUCED to the mass market and pretended to be better than CRT. I know that weight, power consumption, size is important. But how about colors representation, response times, bad pixels, native resolution, viewing angles? Did you have to worry about those things having CRT? Fortunately contemporary LCDs are FAR better than those 5 years back - most of the problems is solved (sometimes you have to pay A LOT for this) but some problems (like bad pixels) still haunt LCD buyers.
All these problems are solved by IPS panels. The EIZO website will let you filter by them. This website does a good job tracking which monitors have them http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php

You can still get a dead pixel, but I honestly don't have any, even on a 7 year old IPS panel.
Post edited November 13, 2010 by orcishgamer
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orcishgamer: All these problems are solved by IPS panels.
They are very good. I've got one and I'm very happy with it. But I think it might be a bit beyond what tburger needs it for. They're practically three times as much after all.
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orcishgamer: All these problems are solved by IPS panels.
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Navagon: They are very good. I've got one and I'm very happy with it. But I think it might be a bit beyond what tburger needs it for. They're practically three times as much after all.
Yeah but going from a decent CRT to a crappy T/N panel (and they are all crappy) is going to be noticeably worse. Besides you'll end up with crappy 16:9 resolution on a T/N panel, sadly. 16:10 is less likely to be a loss of vertical area.
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orcishgamer: Yeah but going from a decent CRT to a crappy T/N panel (and they are all crappy) is going to be noticeably worse. Besides you'll end up with crappy 16:9 resolution on a T/N panel, sadly. 16:10 is less likely to be a loss of vertical area.
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GameRager: There are some good 16:9 LCDs out there, actually.....I don't think 16:9 vs 16:10 is such a big deal as some make it out to be. Buy a mid range process LCD, and it'll be good in either 16:9 or 16:10. Just my two cents.
I don't know how many vertical lines you get on your CRT but 16:9 is always 1080, which is quite a bit less than 1200. It does make a difference if you do anything with text. That 120 lines might be enough for the HUD for whatever game you're playing, too. If it really doesn't bother you, count yourself lucky. It bothers the hell out of me and nearly everyone I know. HDTV actually made LCD panels worse.
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GameRager: 3. How in the world do you have a motherboard with AGP and PCI express slots? I didn't think you could have both on the same board. Sounds cool if you can get it to work though. Have you ever thought about multiscreen setups by any chance(two monitors displaying one desktop, one half on each screen.....etc)? I had one for awhile which was nice for running windowed games on one screen and internet on the other.
Gigabyte, Asus and Asrock had such "transition" 775 boards build on VIA 880 Pro/Ultra chipset. They came in 2 variants "standard" AGP with "stripped" PCI Express x4 and vice versa stripped AGP with standard PCIExpressx16...Never had opportunity to have AGP AND PCIE in the same time (gave my AGP R9600 PRO to a nephew) but I'cant see why they would not work.PCI E & PCI 3dfx run fine. As for multi monitor configuration: small apartment, wife, 2 kids - can't be done in that enviroment :-)
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GameRager: Interesting.......so those kinds of boards are rare then.....but they seem nice if you want to use both AGP and/or PCIe cards. I just abandoned AGP myself a couple years back when PCIe became the new quicker standard.......I wonder what'll be the new standard after that, and after that. In 20 years time all video cards might be the size of your thumb and on flash drives that plug into the inside of the case or the outside. Who knows, eh? :)
That's pretty odd. My current motherboard has a 16x form factor PCIe slot which can only do a fraction of that. Made it a bit of a challenge when I was picking out my most recent video card. Fortunately, it has enough power that I won't need to upgrade it again until I upgrade the motherboard. Probably should've paid closer attention when I was ordering the bare bones kit it came in.
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GameRager: Is the PCIe 16x SLOT a PCIe 1.0 slot, a PCIe 2.0 slot, or a PCIe 2.1 slot? If you run a newer PCIe 16x 2.0 speed card in a slot built for PCIe 1.0 speed the card will automatically throttle down to 1.0 speed. Lucky for me the new mobo i'm using is 2.0 and card is 2.0 so it doesn't slow down any. Still, I wish for a better card someday. :\
Could be, the manual was somewhat vague on that point. What it specifically says is that the x16 slot only has x8 bandwidth. If it was a 1.0 slot rather than a 2.0 slot, I really wish they would've specifically stated that rather than the more confusing way of stating it.

Which from what I've read could mean that it's a 1.0 slot, but it's rather annoying that the manual doesn't really say that anywhere I could find.