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Posted January 28, 2012
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lukaszthegreat: how did it go?
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Deus_Ex: We have no idea. I'm hoping it will disappear quietly but finnish politicians don't have even a fundamental understanding about the inner workings of the internet and copyright law. they basically do what the committee tells them is the "right" thing to do, in other words represent their interests.
Wait, didn't you guys declare the internet a basic human right? I thought you guys kind of got the whole internet thing up there. You're running fiber out to rural areas and shit like that, aren't you?
Posted January 28, 2012
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hedwards: Because they don't really have a choice in the matter. Money laundering and some of the other allegations are covered under their extradition treaty with the US.
but it did not happen yet. and surely will take months (maybe even years) cause of appeals, various proceedings and so on before his extradition. It is not set in stone.
Posted January 28, 2012
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orcishgamer: Wait, didn't you guys declare the internet a basic human right? I thought you guys kind of got the whole internet thing up there. You're running fiber out to rural areas and shit like that, aren't you?
Sadly for a lot of politicians it simply means that being able to access the internet to buy stuffs on iTune or Amazon is a basic human right... but the whole "free speech" thingy is just some hippies ramblings nobody gives a damn about.
Posted January 28, 2012
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hedwards: Because they don't really have a choice in the matter. Money laundering and some of the other allegations are covered under their extradition treaty with the US.
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lukaszthegreat: but it did not happen yet. and surely will take months (maybe even years) cause of appeals, various proceedings and so on before his extradition. It is not set in stone.
You are right, and I'll try to remember that it hasn't yet happened, but it will. The treaty all but guarantees that they'll be extradited. It would take some sort of miracle for NZ to do so as even in the US we have to honor our treaty obligations and I'd be shocked if the feds didn't have a clean case that's sufficient to warrant extradition.

IIRC the legal requirements for extradition are significantly lower than for conviction.
Posted January 28, 2012
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hedwards: If you didn't wan this to become a US versus the world sort of the thing you shouldn't have suggested that we aren't fully in our rights to enforce our laws within our own borders. The megaupload folks could have easily avoided this trouble had they just simply not used servers in the US to operate their business. Had they done that and we in the US wouldn't have jurisdiction over any of it. It's worth realizing that they'll be charged with the subset of offenses that were committed on American soil rather than for all the ones they've committed abroad.

Plus, we're not the ones that came up with a lot of this, most of the things that they're being tried with are criminal everywhere else. Plus, it wasn't our idea to come up with ridiculously long copyrights, we took over a century to sign onto the Berne Convention.
Whatever mate. I explained that it has nothing to do with US versus the world and explained quite thoroughly how it wasn't. The whole point is that yes, it is happening worldwide with this bullshit as you yourself have just said, yet you seem intent on making out that I was attacking the states for some misguided patriotic reason or other (though it's funny that you say it is criminal everywhere when the reason that the guy in the UK is being extradited is because his actions were not classified as illegal in this country despite running everything here and so the judge said that they should send him to the US instead), so I'm not gonna bother any more.

The point was that the MPAA and companies are showing that they can get you whenever they want, don't think that it's a coincidence that they suddenly kicked off with this when SOPA got shelved from the protests. Anyway, have fun.
Post edited January 28, 2012 by FlintlockJazz
Posted January 28, 2012
Flintlock please continue to attack the US government. They are not Americans. They do not uphold the foundations of the founding fathers. The urban warfare combat exercise in downtown LA this past week are preparation for martial law. People have seen an barbed wired FEMA camp at LAX this past week.
Post edited January 28, 2012 by u2jedi
Posted February 01, 2012
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orcishgamer: Wait, didn't you guys declare the internet a basic human right? I thought you guys kind of got the whole internet thing up there. You're running fiber out to rural areas and shit like that, aren't you?
Internet connection, not the internet. You have the right to an internet connection, but the content is another matter. Like I said, politicians don't possess a very good understanding in these issues and are basically lured by copyright committees to make por choices that have recently led to internet censorship (Access to piratebay has now been restricted by an ISP called Elisa).

As for fibre, nope. They're just pulling shitty copper wiring (similar to old phonelines) and using those to provide internet connections to rural areas. It's basically a crappier version of ADSL. Latency is a problem, and they deemed a 2MBPS connection to be "enough for basic usage". Too bad that's the theoretical maximum, not the actual speed that it operates in... I have a 100/100 fiber optic at home, and most people around cities have at least 24/2 or 24/8. However, rural areas are not so lucky.

In sweden though they take care of that shit. They pull fibre everywhere, and usually fiber optic internet connection is included in rents, so it's basically "free". My cousins (who live in Sweden) have been using fiber since 2003...
Posted February 01, 2012
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orcishgamer: Wait, didn't you guys declare the internet a basic human right?
now that's just silly. i love the internet as much as the next guy, but a basic human right? that's ridiculous. if the internet is a basic human right, what about television access, which is far more widespread? what about access to public libraries?

next thing you know, some Swedish party will declare free online access to pron a basic human right. somehow i get the feeling this has already been declared...
Post edited February 01, 2012 by Fred_DM
Posted February 01, 2012
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orcishgamer: Wait, didn't you guys declare the internet a basic human right?
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Fred_DM: now that's just silly. i love the internet as much as the next guy, but a basic human right? that's ridiculous. if the internet is a basic human right, what about television access, which is far more widespread? what about access to public libraries?

next thing you know, some Swedish party will declare free online access to pron a basic human right. somehow i get the feeling this has already been declared...
Since it's a primary way to interact with local and national government in many locations, declaring access to it as a basic right makes a lot of sense. Not to mention the amount of education available on it. Yes, some people will use said right to watch lolcat videos, that doesn't mean it's not necessary for everyone.
Posted February 04, 2012
And without the internet Donald Tusk would never have seen this amazing realtime event and reversed his lack of understanding from 3 days ago:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread/?slideshow

It's going to surpass 2 million in a few days. I signed it when it hadn't reached 250,000 yet. Amazing the amount of support.
Post edited February 04, 2012 by u2jedi
Posted February 04, 2012
Its interesting. Actions in middle east where Internet helped spark and carry the flame of revolution and now the fight against SOPA and ACTA showed i think for the very first time the power of Internet. It is not more for geeks, no more for porn or easy mail.
2011/2012 changed the world in that regards. Wonder how far everything will go because of that? Greater fight against internet or quite opposite.
Posted July 10, 2012
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hedwards: You are right, and I'll try to remember that it hasn't yet happened,
but it will.
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hedwards: The treaty all but guarantees that they'll be extradited. It would take some sort of miracle for NZ to do so as even in the US we have to honor our treaty obligations and I'd be shocked if the feds didn't have a clean case that's sufficient to warrant extradition.

IIRC the legal requirements for extradition are significantly lower than for conviction.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/dotcom-extradition-postponed/
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/kim-dotcom-offers-to-come-to-us-rather-than-be-extradited/

you still so sure about what you said?
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