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CMOT70: People in thread are PC gamers and seemingly have no clue as to why people buy consoles. There are millions of people out there that play games on a couch as families. They have no interest in PC's for gaming and never will, no matter how much you want them to. They buy an Xbox in my area because they are car nuts and Xbox has Forza. This is where Game Pass can give Xbox a chance to close the gap. In November a family can buy a PS5, which has one single first party day one exclusive (BLM Spiderman)- which they have to buy as well, another $60. Or they can get a $299 Xbox S take it home with their one month game pass code and immediately play any of 200 games...including Forza, Madden, Fifa etc. No additional cost. And if they get the all access plan, they get 2 years of Game Pass without having to buy games for their kids (in theory). All the Ea sports titles, all Microsoft games- Halo, Forza, Flight Simulator, Gears of War, Minecraft etc. Destiny 2, it goes on.
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§pectre: These are the same type of people that paid to play online multiplayer on the Xbox 360 when other consoles and the PC were free.
What does that have to do with what I just said?
I'm strictly PC-gaming these days, so if I had $300-600 to spend on gaming, it would be for my PC. I even struggle to justify buying console games ported to PC, as I would rather not support those developers and publishers with my money.

However, it's interesting to observe the different strategies between Microsoft and Sony with their consoles.
On one hand there will be a premium and a budget version of the new Xbox. The $300 version is an interesting under-cut. The Xbox will also have extensive backwards compatibility.

The only advantage the PS5 will have are the AAA exclusives. Sony's digital service is horrible, and the console will only have a teeny-weeny list of backwards compatible games.

As I see it then, the competition so far will be between:
1) a $300 new Xbox console + a big list of backwards compatible games + some exclusives
2) a $500 new PlayStation + a big list of AAA exclusives
Post edited September 13, 2020 by blueGretsch
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§pectre: These are the same type of people that paid to play online multiplayer on the Xbox 360 when other consoles and the PC were free.
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CMOT70: What does that have to do with what I just said?
That these consumers will buy for any silly reason.
Interesting enough, we've got dev's from Remedy, Infinity Ward, and Id who are not thrilled w/ the Xbox Series S' (lack of) power and thinks that bottleneck & "hold them back" basically:
https://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-series-s-could-bottleneck-some-next-gen-games-developers-suggest/
Australian launch stock appears to be all gone already. The EB Games website crashed a few minutes after pre-orders went up! I got a Series X ordered direct from Microsoft- no deposit, free delivery and no pay until it ships. But I was hoping for EB because of their staggering trade in offer. I would get A$480 trade in for my current One X, which I only paid $399 for and it came with 9 games bundled! Second hand consoles are all sold out (as are new PS4's and Xbox's) because of COVID demand- hence amazing trade in deals.

Unlike Sony, who have no further shipments of PS5's for 2020 (in Australia at least), MS have begun taking pre-orders for a second post launch 2020 shipment. I assume the USA will far more stock than Australia obviously. But I don't expect stores to have them on shelves for walk in purchase until next year.
Post edited September 22, 2020 by CMOT70
Just pre-ordered my Series X too. The hype is real.
Yup, mine got preordered with delivery on the evening of Nov 10th :-) Can't wait!
I'm also curious: with the Zenimax/Bethesda purchase and all of that coming to Game Pass - I wonder how many who were undecided b/t Xbox and PS5...might just go with the Xbox now.

Game Pass is looking more and more attractive w/ each day. Sure, there was always Microsoft stuff and some 3rd party stuff that rotates in and out on Game Pass - but adding EA Play and Zenimax/Bethesda to Game Pass is really HUGE.
Post edited September 22, 2020 by MysterD
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MysterD: I'm also curious: with the Zenimax/Bethesda purchase and all of that coming to Game Pass - I wonder how many who were undecided b/t Xbox and PS5...might just go with the Xbox now.
I question how much influence the older games would have. Surely anyone interested in Fallout 4 to the point of it swaying which platform they buy would have played it already? Most people don't replay games. However I do think the idea of maybe only getting Starfield and TES6 if you have an Xbox or PC might influence a lot of people. Whether that idea is true or not, it is absolutely possible if not probable.
All this about EA and now Bethesda joining Game Pass is really a side show.

The real news is that Game Pass made it to 10M subscribers in just under three years- making it by far the biggest game rental/sub service, in fact it is larger than all other services combined. Then, just in the past 5 months alone it jumped to 15M subs. Why? It cannot be the EA and Beth factor, those just came. I'm guessing it's the full roll out of xCloud that's responsible- it's part of Game Pass subscription as well now. So picture some guy playing Angry Birds on his phone on his lunch break. He's a car nut and looks over at his mate and sees him playing Forza Horizon 4. Then finds out it's just $1 for the first month so next day he's playing FH4 too. Soon he's playing it on his tablet at home. Then thinks, this would be much better on my 65" TV...maybe I'll get one of those Series S consoles. Soon he has a steering wheel, a cockpit, he's racing online, his wife left him a week ago and he hasn't even noticed. There are billions of mobile users out there that play games on their devices. Microsoft is letting Sony have the old money, whilst they go after the new money- the people that don't even realize they are gamers yet.