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moobot83: windows 7 was good and as ive said somewhere else you can customise windows 10 disabling telemetry stuff with shutup10 and using gpedit to disable windows updates and completely remove cortana bar, if you hate the start menu just down load classic shell it isnt hard to do and you also get the benfits of using DX12
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Pond86: I really dont get why people just say "add third party programs and use gepedit and just use classic shell for Windows 7."

A) Third party programs (such as Shutup 10, can break core Windows10 systems, I know from experiance.) So When the new Windsows 10 upgrade comes up it causes nothing but issues.

B) Gpedit has the same things that you get under Home for Pro for ages and you cant disable Windows Update from them you can only delay (same as Home.)

C) Classic shell just adds the start menu. You still have to use Windows 10 settings, for certain stuff and other Windows 10 things.
you can disable windows updates using GPEDIT my pc has them permanently disabled, and shut up 10 is working fine on my pc it would only mess up a pc if you dnt know what your doing
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moobot83: you can disable windows updates using GPEDIT my pc has them permanently disabled, and shut up 10 is working fine on my pc it would only mess up a pc if you dnt know what your doing
GPEDIT doesnt disable Windows Updates it just delays them. And Shut Up 10 will work until the next majour update then it tends to break things. The same as patching Windows 10 for themes will work until the next majour update then that will break and cause issues as well.

Edit: Windows 10 Home & Pro cannot disable updates anyway officially. GPEDIT, REGEDIT or anything you cannot disable updates you can just delay them.

Third Party programs such as Shut Up 10 can disable them but will break operating system functions. So running them is usually not worth it.
Post edited January 27, 2019 by Pond86
well i know your worng cos my pc hasnt had any windows updates at all as it doesnt need them and i dnt use a web browseer just paly games here, look into gpedit and u can disable it
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moobot83: well i know your worng cos my pc hasnt had any windows updates at all as it doesnt need them and i dnt use a web browseer just paly games here, look into gpedit and u can disable it
I'm not wrong. Its known that since a certain version Microsoft removed the option to block updates using GPEDIT or REGEDIT. So add them all you want, they do nothing on newer versions as they are ignored by Windows.
I have been looking at Windows Server 2019 for my next OS, but can't figure out some stuff. Namely, does the Essentials version have a limit on CPU cores? (A two-cpu limit is mentioned. Simultaneous, or in total?) The standard version on Newegg mentions a 16-core limit, which might prevent me from getting upgrades down the line.
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Sabin_Stargem: I have been looking at Windows Server 2019 for my next OS, but can't figure out some stuff. Namely, does the Essentials version have a limit on CPU cores? (A two-cpu limit is mentioned. Simultaneous, or in total?) The standard version on Newegg mentions a 16-core limit, which might prevent me from getting upgrades down the line.
Why are you considering a version of Windows server for your next OS?

Maybe you are running a server and forgot to mention that, but even then, there are far better options.
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Darvond: Why are you considering a version of Windows server for your next OS?

Maybe you are running a server and forgot to mention that, but even then, there are far better options.
No, this is for personal use. I figure that Windows Server 2019 is the closest that the general public would get to a "Windows 10 Ultimate", since the Enterprise* and Education versions require hoops to legally acquire.

WS 2019 doesn't automatically come with cruft like Cortana, and is hopefully able to have the same privacy settings as Edu-Prise. The biggest friendliness issue is converting Server into a nice desktop environment - relevant drivers, useful features, DX, ect.


*Interestingly, NewEgg now has a "Open License Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 Upgrade" for $281 bucks. That wasn't around half a year ago, when I last checked. That is worth investigating. The biggest issue on it is how it states "single language", which might be problematic with foreign games.
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Sabin_Stargem: No, this is for personal use. I figure that Windows Server 2019 is the closest that the general public would get to a "Windows 10 Ultimate", since the Enterprise* and Education versions require hoops to legally acquire.

WS 2019 doesn't automatically come with cruft like Cortana, and is hopefully able to have the same privacy settings as Edu-Prise. The biggest friendliness issue is converting Server into a nice desktop environment - relevant drivers, useful features, DX, ect.


*Interestingly, NewEgg now has a "Open License Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 Upgrade" for $281 bucks. That wasn't around half a year ago, when I last checked. That is worth investigating. The biggest issue on it is how it states "single language", which might be problematic with foreign games.
I see. To which I then question, why dump 281 dollars on just a licence for a non-consumer grade operating system? That's more than some of the machines listed here.

I'm sure you've heard the grand piano spiel, but as an alternative, consider dipping your toes in LInux. More than ever, there's a variety of distros to try. Mint, Manjaro, Fedora, and all that. You don't even have to install them as you can try them out at your leisure on an easily written USB device or flash memory of your choosing a la a live DVD.
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Darvond: I'm sure you've heard the grand piano spiel, but as an alternative, consider dipping your toes in LInux.
I am a gamer, and Linux doesn't play enough games. Besides, a machine that I use every day for a decade shouldn't be scrimped on.
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Sabin_Stargem: I am a gamer, and Linux doesn't play enough games. Besides, a machine that I use every day for a decade shouldn't be scrimped on.
Sure it does. With Wine/Proton and maybe Lutris, you can play a large number of games.

As for the matter of being thrifty, perhaps we see different ways but I bought a lovely Dell OptiPlex 9010 with an i5 running at nearly 4 Ghz for $226.00 USD.
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Darvond: Why are you considering a version of Windows server for your next OS?

Maybe you are running a server and forgot to mention that, but even then, there are far better options.
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Sabin_Stargem: No, this is for personal use. I figure that Windows Server 2019 is the closest that the general public would get to a "Windows 10 Ultimate", since the Enterprise* and Education versions require hoops to legally acquire.

WS 2019 doesn't automatically come with cruft like Cortana, and is hopefully able to have the same privacy settings as Edu-Prise. The biggest friendliness issue is converting Server into a nice desktop environment - relevant drivers, useful features, DX, ect.

*Interestingly, NewEgg now has a "Open License Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 Upgrade" for $281 bucks. That wasn't around half a year ago, when I last checked. That is worth investigating. The biggest issue on it is how it states "single language", which might be problematic with foreign games.
If this is anything like 7, Windows will support only one language in the OS - so no switching to other languages for the UI - but games in other languages should still work fine, provided they use Unicode.
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Foxhack: If this is anything like 7, Windows will support only one language in the OS - so no switching to other languages for the UI - but games in other languages should still work fine, provided they use Unicode.
When it comes to playing foreign games on Windows, some of them requires their home language and don't use Unicode. In these cases, I use Locale Emulator to have another language solely applied to the program. However, if the LTSC license enforces that only one language can be used at all or at a time, that would likely break the functionality.

Locale Emulator

The Windows 10 situation is annoying, but I really do look forward to having a modern machine within a year or two. Mostly just waiting for storage to be more affordable and various technologies standardized.
Post edited January 28, 2019 by Sabin_Stargem
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Darvond: Well for one, you keep the key in a pocket and make sure to seal the doors, as they say.

Neither of those are direct compromises of the Linux kernel or distributions thereof. More to the point, have you ever heard a time where Red Hat had a security issue (ever) or Debian had one that wasn't stomped flat in a day or less?
That's my point you cant seal the doors when you have to keep downloading bits and pieces from package managers.
It's ironic that Microsoft have gone this path with windows.
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Spectre: That's my point you cant seal the doors when you have to keep downloading bits and pieces from package managers.
It's ironic that Microsoft have gone this path with windows.
Package managers are a central location. Far more safe and sane than "go to this website and download this weird file" or "connect to this direct address (hope it still exists) and get this unsupported package."

Would you rather visit 2000 websites to get your programs, or one site, where all the packages have been cryptographically stamped, signed, audited, and fingerprinted?

Someone's mistake on a git can be fixed with a few clicks to revoke, or a command to boot the offending mistake out.How many times has an actively malicious game reached the endpoint of Steam? When looking for individual items of software that isn't from a central repository, you'd be surprised how often I come across a caveat or snag.