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Timboli: In case you aren't aware, Collective Shout is a Christian lobby group or organisation.
This is highly believable, given the highly religious nature of the recent anti-sex undercurrent and the nature of the last organization that pulled this.

However, this group's rhetoric revolves around authoritarian radical feminism, not Christianity. Their founders and inspirations are feminists, their rhetoric is feminist, their pet issues are feminist.

Our enemy is self-righteous authoritarianism in ALL forms, not any specific ideology.
Post edited July 31, 2025 by Alopix.461
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Hooyaah: IDEA: Games could be put on discs and sold in "brick and mortar" retail establishments; people could pay with cash.
Sorry, can't do that. No renting movies either, browsing actual shelves, looking at cool posters, popping over there with a friend to see what's new or randomly bumping into them, none of that fun stuff. Not convenient enough, you see. Everything must be just scrolling on a screen, clicking on tiles. Movies, games, food... scroll, click, scroll, click...

God, I'm a miserable old fart.
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Alopix.461: This is highly believable, given the highly religious nature of the recent anti-sex undercurrent and the nature of the last organization that pulled this.

However, this group's rhetoric revolves around authoritarian radical feminism, not Christianity. Their founders and inspirations are feminists, their rhetoric is feminist, their pet issues are feminist.

Our enemy is self-righteous authoritarianism in ALL forms, not any specific ideology.
Collective Shout was founded by a "pro-life," TERF, extremist Christian. And they're partnered with NCOSE, an Evangelical group that was once known as Morality in Media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_on_Sexual_Exploitation

"NCOSE, which originally began as the religious “Morality in Media” organization, is a conservative group based in the U.S."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist

"Tankard Reist is the founder of Collective Shout, a non-profit organisation best known for leading a successful campaign to block artist Tyler, the Creator from touring in Australia due to lyrics considered misogynistic,[5] as well as the removal of multiple Steam games alleged to have depicted rape, incest, and child abuse, but which journalistic investigations found to also include non-pornographic games containing LGBT themes."
Post edited July 31, 2025 by Dredmart

Nice strawman buddy.. heres the thing though most who are anti-censorship aren't have you describe.. most actually just hate censorship for how unreasonable and extreme it most of the time is and the fact groups for generations have pushed it to ridicules extremes and even banning content that is fine in any other media context .. That or in cases of like the 80's and 90's making up BS claiming just to get things done.. like how in the 80's I think it was a program called''the Eagles nest'' that was full on making up lies about My little pony , Transformers and all the other programs even Care bears .. Rather then targeting them for that fact they was basically toy ads in program form.. They had went saying they was demonic, Evil, teaching kids to rebel, kill and so on even saying they teached kids to be racist and cruel ..Despite that was never the case
Here is the disconnect.... you think these things represent something being debunked.... not everyone agrees with you so this line of argumentation will never work for you even though you falsely believe it finishes the conversation.

Where as the 90's you had people going after for example pokemon and Digimon for example for being somehow teaching kids to want to be masters of the world and other nonsense like demon summoning and using demonic powers.. among other stuff to try getting then censored or banned

Then you had people going against media clearly marketed for adults do to parents unable to not just you knownot buy the games for thier kids or not play em when the kids would see and act horrified over the content in the game thier kid was playing or seeing .. despite they wasn't made for kids.
Conflating two separate things and then proceeding as if you had not just done it and as if they are the same thing instead of two things.

So its in fact mostly riducile and such going after the pro cenorship and such crowd do to the insane tripe and lies that people have done for generations that cause it exspecially when those who are pro cenorship and pro banning usually repeat the same Bs from those eras over and over..
Except its not really about censorship per se.... if it was actually harmful censorship would be just as strongly opposed... instead it's usually championed. If you (as in the enraged temper tantrum trowing because they cant get titillated mob) really were so anti-censorship.... you would get just as insane about people not being allowed to say certain things.

This is what exposes your REAL agenda... the protection of content that others find offensive or harmful.... and the elimination of content you find offensive or harmful. You pretend its about freedom.... but its actually only about your freedom.

Thus even if the person has a valid piont if they use the same wording and phrases from the prior situations it causes people to not listen and you are using the same BS claims and phrases that go back to the 80's and even before then honestly here
I don't even want to bother to count the amount of logical fallacies in this paragraph. That you think this is even a valid argument only proves that you are not coming from a rational basis but are going with a convenient construction. As mentioned before... you think you have won an argument simply because the opponents have been forcibly silenced by the outcomes of prior reactions.... ironic no?.
To further point out my point.

Ready or Not has recently released a really unfortunate build that has numerous problems and these should have been the cause for discontent.... but what did the crazies focus on over on Steam?

Pages and pages of ranting and raving about CENSORSHIP.... because a handful of instances of questionable content was slightly cleaned up.

Now if the primary response was about the former.... that would have made sense. But because people became so childishly irrational to the point of offhandedly mentioning this as support rather than the priority about this very specific perverted toy being taken away from them.... no one in his right mind will believe it actually is about censorship.... because nothing of actual importance was censored.

No opinion, no religion, no ideology was censored.... just things that probably should never have been done in the first place.... one of them being obviously an outright bug where someone forgot to include clothing under the ghile suit.

And anyway... if everyone actually is so fanatically against censorship.... why are you wearing clothing and censoring your body? Go all the way, force the rest of us to see you as you truly are.... the same way you DEMAND happens in games whether the rest of us want to also see that or not.

If you lot raving lunatic exhibitionist enthusiasts were not so obviously hypocritical... the rest of us might actually have taken you seriously but you just cant seem to help yourselves trying to authoritarianally force everyone else to endure your fetishism because you cant bear the thought of not having free access to the material.
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Stiffkittin: I feel some will get angry at you soon and this conversation will devolve into an ideological debate in the wrong direction, so I'd like to address you frankly before that. As someone who was molested as a young child, the last thing I want in my face on my gaming platform is nasty, entitled and abusive sexual content. I have a strong stomach for gore and love a good supernatural horror but to this day (now in my 40s) am still incapable of sitting still through a rape scene, or any kind of misanthropic torture (Hostel etc.). However, I do not judge those who can—nor those drawing enjoyment from boundary pushing adult fantasy. There's clearly a natural human impulse and market for taboo breaking titillation, as evidenced in stories and literature through the ages, regardless if you're into it or not.
Oh I know they will get angry at me I am just too damn old and tired of the nonsense to give a damn anymore. They are as I pointed out above clearly in no way arguing in good faith anyway so it's no loss.

The problem with your argument is there are obvious differences in how the brain reacts to different kinds of impulse stimuli... not getting into the details for the most part violence is just not processed the same way that language or sex is... extreme violence and especially cruelty though is another matter.

It's for everyone much easier to react dispassionately to violence than is to do the same to sex.... in your specific case though its even worse for you because of past trauma which enhances the effect.

There are a lot of human impulses.... some are good and some have to be controlled so they don't control you.... its foolish to even attempt to approach all of them in the same way unless you are suicidal.

Whether or not some of that media is morally bankrupt and harmful is an argument which should be had on a legislative level and opened up to each society for reasonable and lucid debate. Where it is not valid to sanction this commerce is arbitrarily and unilaterally through the power of corporate monopoly. If it's those amoral ghouls who're going to start presiding over what is good and moral for me to consume from now on, then you can find me in the basement filling the molotovs!
Completely agree.... the problem is how this is unevenly approached today.... where people get upset about such things applying to their little bubbles and simply ignore it when it happens to someone else.... such as has been made clear numerous times in the last 10 years. This is hardly the first time that a payment processor persued an agenda.... but lets all just forget about those previous times and focus on how this distraction takes our toys away apparently.
Locking the thread as it's becoming toxic.