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Edith-Puthy: I'm not upset, I simply don't understand why this would even be a feature. I think the sooner you understand that the better this conversation will progress.
Nor, apparenlty, do you want to understand. Or you're not capable of it. Either way, it doesn't look like a conversation with you was a good idea in the first place.

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Edith-Puthy: That notion that people will carefully select the reviews that they read and make an educated guess is really a streach considering that people tend to go by numbers and the first reviews they see.
The notion that everyone's options should be limited because some people are stupid is itself idiotic.
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Edith-Puthy: I'm not upset, I simply don't understand why this would even be a feature. I think the sooner you understand that the better this conversation will progress.
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Breja: Nor, apparenlty, do you want to understand. Or you not capable of it. Either way, it doesn't look like a conversation with you was a good idea in the first place.

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Edith-Puthy: That notion that people will carefully select the reviews that they read and make an educated guess is really a streach considering that people tend to go by numbers and the first reviews they see.
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Breja: The notion that everyone's options should be limited because some people are stupid is itself idiotic.
You are clearly quite toxic so there is no point in engaging with you. If you are satisfied with this feature, great for you, enjoy it.

Have a good day.
I think the merit in allowing reviews by people who do not own the game lies in the fact that games, particularly smaller games which wouldn't get many or any reviews otherwise might get a handful of reviews by people who played the game on another platform. This gives people with an interest in the game at least a certain frame of reference regarding the qualities and problems of the game. Since there are also plenty of ways to filter the reviews according to one's needs and preferences i don't see a problem with the review system.
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InSaintMonoxide: I think the merit in allowing reviews by people who do not own the game lies in the fact that games, particularly smaller games which wouldn't get many or any reviews otherwise might get a handful of reviews by people who played the game on another platform. This gives people with an interest in the game at least a certain frame of reference regarding the qualities and problems of the game. Since there are also plenty of ways to filter the reviews according to one's needs and preferences i don't see a problem with the review system.
That actually makes sense, especially considering that gog has a much smaller costumer base so having a review system like this could prop up smaller games.

However I think it's quite clear from the fact that in almost every case, the unverified reviews are significantly lower than the verified reviews, that this system is being abused, which is a shame and I believe might push already sceptical publishers
I don't exactly like seeing Steam users review games here, based on their experience with the Steam version.
I often look at reviews here (or the forums) to see if there are any issues with the GOG release in particular.
Post edited October 28, 2020 by Plumb
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Edith-Puthy: This has to be one of the most non-sensical features of the review policy on GOG, you are literally asking for people on steam to review bomb it there and then slime their way to GOG to review bomb the same game.
GOG has no way to prove that people "don't own" games.

And lately, the vast majority of reviews from people who do own the games from GOG...they are useless spam of a sentence or three, and could not actually be reasonably considered to be 'reviews' at all.

So if GOG was going to restrict who can write reviews, then having bought the game from GOG certainly should not be a criteria by which to judge who to exclude. If anything, most people who did buy the game from GOG should be forbidden from writing reviews on GOG, unless they first make some sort of promise to write an actual in-depth review and not a useless piece of spam.
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Edith-Puthy: This has to be one of the most non-sensical features of the review policy on GOG, you are literally asking for people on steam to review bomb it there and then slime their way to GOG to review bomb the same game.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG has no way to prove that people "don't own" games.

And lately, the vast majority of reviews from people who do own the games from GOG...they are useless spam of a sentence or three, and could not actually be reasonably considered to be 'reviews' at all.

So if GOG was going to restrict who can write reviews, then having bought the game from GOG certainly should not be a criteria by which to judge who to exclude. If anything, most people who did buy the game from GOG should be forbidden from writing reviews on GOG, unless they first make some sort of promise to write an actual in-depth review and not a useless piece of spam.
I get what you are saying, but that is obviously very difficult to do or enforce.

An alternative could be possibly allowing moderation for reviews, but you are subject to have bad devs/publishers removing negative reviews.
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InSaintMonoxide: I think the merit in allowing reviews by people who do not own the game lies in the fact that games, particularly smaller games which wouldn't get many or any reviews otherwise might get a handful of reviews by people who played the game on another platform. This gives people with an interest in the game at least a certain frame of reference regarding the qualities and problems of the game. Since there are also plenty of ways to filter the reviews according to one's needs and preferences i don't see a problem with the review system.
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Edith-Puthy: That actually makes sense, especially considering that gog has a much smaller costumer base so having a review system like this could prop up smaller games.

However I think it's quite clear from the fact that in almost every case, the unverified reviews are significantly lower than the verified reviews, that this system is being abused, which is a shame and I believe might push already sceptical publishers
I'm not quite sure that unverified reviews being lower than verified reviews is necessarily evidence for abuse of the review system. It seems quite plausible to me that someone who plays a game on one platform and is strongly dissatisfied with it will not be interested in buying it again on another platform yet still wants to warn other potential customers of it. At the same time it also seems plausible to me that someone who is very happy with the product on one platform might be willing to buy it again, so the contrast between verified and unverified reviews actually makes sense to me.

Furthermore, i fail to see how the possibility of unjust negative reviews on a niche platform such as gog will tarnish the reputation of a game so badly that it becomes economically unviable to publish it there at all.
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Edith-Puthy: This has to be one of the most non-sensical features of the review policy on GOG, you are literally asking for people on steam to review bomb it there and then slime their way to GOG to review bomb the same game.
I want reviews from all people, people who have it in GOG or elsewhere.

The people who own it somewhere else (be it Steam, Epic, a retail CD they bought in 1997 etc.) can still give valuable information about whether the game itself is any good.

The GOG owners can still add valuable information on top of that, e.g. how well the GOG version works, whether it is missing something (DLC or updates) etc. The technical stuff just reassuring there is nothing wrong with the GOG version, compared to other versions.
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Edith-Puthy: It does not offend my sensibility, it allows things like review bombing to reach gog, especially since you can't edit your review on gog.
What is "review bombing"? You have to excuse me because English is not my native language.

In Finnish that would be "arvostelupommitus", and it doesn't have any sensible meaning by itself.
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idbeholdME: Nobody is going to waste time review bombing games on GOG when Steam is a much juicier target.
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my name is vaughlte catte: Several games here have been review bombed, usually for political reasons.
Ah ok, now it makes more sense. So review bombing = making false reviews of a game one doesn't like for non-gaming reasons.
Post edited October 28, 2020 by timppu
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timppu: Ah ok, now it makes more sense. So review bombing = making false reviews of a game one doesn't like for non-gaming reasons.
Yeah, pretty much. It can happen from all sides of the political arena but I won't go into examples here because rules.
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timppu: Ah ok, now it makes more sense. So review bombing = making false reviews of a game one doesn't like for non-gaming reasons.
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my name is vaughlte catte: Yeah, pretty much. It can happen from all sides of the political arena but I won't go into examples here because rules.
Non gaming reasons are just as important especially if it's from devs that have abusive attitudes towards gamers.


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Edith-Puthy: This I think also pushes a lot of developers away, especially in early access, when they see that on top of the DRM free nature of GOG (which make a lot of devs jittery as is) you then have to contend with reviews that cannot be deleted or edited and a review section subject to reviews of people who might not even own the game. And the perfect example of that is that most of the non-verified users reviews are significantly lower than the verified owners.
Gog can delete any stupid reviews.
GOG could also restrict reviewing only to User who own a game directly on GOG and other Platforms which are linked to the account. At least for Steam this should not be a big problem, because Steam linking is possible without Galaxy.
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danny-albrecht: GOG could also restrict reviewing only to User who own a game directly on GOG and other Platforms which are linked to the account.
That's no good, since some people own GOG games on disc.

Or, they might have played the games a lot at someone else's house.
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my name is vaughlte catte: Yeah, pretty much. It can happen from all sides of the political arena but I won't go into examples here because rules.
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§pectre: Non gaming reasons are just as important especially if it's from devs that have abusive attitudes towards gamers.
You want to whine about the devs politics make a twitter account. If you post that shit in what is supposed to be a review of the game you're just being a troll and wasting everyone's time.
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danny-albrecht: GOG could also restrict reviewing only to User who own a game directly on GOG and other Platforms which are linked to the account.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That's no good, since some people own GOG games on disc.

Or, they might have played the games a lot at someone else's house.
then these aren't GOG Games ;-)

I think the most users have these old games on GOG too and there is no need to remove already existing .
So this most likeley affects only newer games. I mean, how big is the chance that a (new) user reviews an old game without owning them on GOG and/or Steam?