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MajicMan: @Groot:

I don't have Galaxy. I downloaded it once during Beta and after it left Beta and GoG made their change and put Galaxy in all their games, the next two games I downloaded using the classic installers Galaxy would always automatically install the game in the Galaxy directory and not my Games directory where I have all my games. So I wiped Galaxy off my PC entirely.

I also could not close Galaxy. It was always running - you could do the close and shut down, but it was always running in the background and would open every time I wanted to install a game even trying to use GoG downloader.

I hate that it is one or the other. Either I have to have Galaxy on my PC trying to take every GoG file or I have to have no Galaxy so I can keep my games in their original state in my preferred directory.
There have been a number of changes since then. As noted, Galaxy does not behave this way on my machine. You can configure it to not start on computer startup and it won't. Galaxy is also not embedded in the installers anymore, so you won't have it automatically install when installing a game. You can also DL via DLer (I did this just last night) and install without Galaxy ever interfering or firing up.

If you install a game via Galaxy, then the desktop icon launcher will start Galaxy every time you start the game. it's easy enough to bypass this behavior if you create a desktop icon from the game's .exe within the game folder (the 'send to desktop' option) and you can then launch the game without Galaxy. If you install as game without using Galaxy, and then later on scan with Galaxy to add it to the list of games on the Galaxy launcher, you can still launch that game without Galaxy firing up if you choose to.

If you want to use Galaxy simply as a fancier DLer, you can do that as well. You can just choose to DL the backup game installers (and you can configure where those are stored). Those backups won't have Galaxy embedded.
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Trilarion: Installation is not downloading. You don't really believe that, do you? Downloading may be part of installation unless the download happened earlier. And it's not redundant at all since keeping your downloaded classic installer executable and re-installing it from time to time (think about switching hardware for example) is definitely part of the normal usage. This is not shoddy argumentation, does not inflate the enumeration but shows that indeed there is a fundamental difference between using the GOG website and the classic installers vs. the GOG Galaxy client. I rather think you are biased and have preconceived notions. (Or we just differ in what we put importance on. ;))
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Acriz: Installing is downloading, when done through the client. How else is the data supposed to get on your pc? The difference is that the installation files are only stored as temp files and deleted once the installation is complete. You are assuming a weird case where people already downloaded the installation files, but use Galaxy regardless instead of just executing the installers directly.

Regardless of what method you use, the authentication happens before the downloading of the requested files. In one case the files get saved. In the other not. Your previous statement made it sound like there was another layer of security checks, or a different layer of security checks, which is not the case.
Not even that really, it just downloads the files straight to your hard-drive, and unpacks them. That is the "installation". So nothing is really deleted. It doesn't use installers, in the traditional sense, at all. But you are essentially correct.
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Trilarion: Installation is not downloading.
In the case of how Galaxy was designed.. it very much is.

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Trilarion: And it's not redundant at all since keeping your downloaded classic installer executable and re-installing it from time to time (think about switching hardware for example) is definitely part of the normal usage
In the vast majority of cases, copying the _redist folder and the game files, installing the redist and running the game from the .exe file would be enough. There may be a few cases were missing registry entries will cause issues, but it's not that difficult (but a little technical) to repackage the game files, registry, and compile to create your own installer from the game files you already downloaded.

It is likley GOG would offer some kind of feature in Galaxy to take care of this yourself at somepoint. During the early development of Galaxy they talked about keeping games usable without Galaxy, either through install scripts or some other means... it's just they have a lot of features they want to get implemented inside galaxy, and probably feel they will be around long enough to implement something like this in the future. It's probably just not a high priority right this second.
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its amazing how angry the pathetic fanboys get when this topic is brought up DAILY. "I blow GoG every day! Do you think I would do that because Im a pathetic piece of sh!t who looks for conflict and 'sides' in every facet of my existence?"
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Trilarion: But I also understand their desire to push people towards Galaxy. I just don't believe they will be satisfied with 99% Galaxy usage if 100% would also be possible.
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Johny.: It's not that we want to push for more % of our existing users to use Galaxy. If more % wouldn't want or need to use Galaxy for their gaming - while understanding what they are doing - that's OK with us. We just want the perfect experience with automatically updated game, multiplayer, achievements etc. for the users. Game devs also want to provide all of these for their players on GOG.

If we would say something like "here's the game with Galaxy" and "oh, here's the same game without Galaxy" users could misunderstand and think they'll get something better (no extra software) with the bare game installers.

Galaxy will remain optional. :)

As a Galaxy team member, I'm happy that you have the options to play your games without Galaxy, if that makes you happy. :)
Yeah Right, just like the "one world, one price" right, but you certainly got rid of that in favor of regional discriminating prices because "everyone is doing it" and like with "only complete packages/games" you got rid of that as well once it wasen't useful. Are you actual so dumb that you believe that you wouldn't force galaxy on us the second that "it is no longer convenient to keep offline installers"
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robertgg: ...Are you actual so dumb that you believe that you wouldn't force galaxy on us the second that "it is no longer convenient to keep offline installers"
With "so dumb" you probably mean some of the customers who believe in "Galaxy will remain optional" assurances in blue forum posts. It's not like the single line by Johny legally obliges GOG to keep Galaxy optional forever. The best is to interpret everything that GOG says as marketing speak and only pay attention to what they do and apply common sense.