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Actually, two reasons why

1) Out of all the Digital Distribution services, I actually like GoG. I like the fact that I can digitally download my favorite games and backup the Installer WITHOUT having to be online to install it. I'm also glad to re-buy much of my Steam collection onto GoG because of its DRM-Free status. I'm still proud of it, and nothing is going to change my mind(In fact, I've bought less games on Steam lately compared to GoG)

2) On the whole China thing, remember that this same stunt was pulled on Steam as well with Devotion. In fact, both Steam and GoG are beholden to China BECAUSE of how huge the market is there. Epic Games is owned by Tencent, a company that's apart of China. And I believe that EA and Ubisoft want a piece of the Chinese Market. Hell, even your favorite video game consoles were ether made in China, or had their parts Made in China. The Switch, the Playstation, the X-Box. Hell, even Androids and iPhones are made in China because they are cheaper to make there. Not to mention that's where most of the rare earth metals are.

So yeah. Those two reasons are why I'm not saying Adios to GoG. Hell, if I did do that, I would have to swear off gaming, and get rid of my smartphone and computer. But even if I did that, to be truly free of anything made in China is impossible, because our nation enabled this.
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Actually, things on Steam were different. The devs themselves pulled the game out of Steam due to it being review bombarded by chinese players. It's a whole different deal.

And that's not even mentioning the real reason people are protesting this. It's not merely that "something was made in China", but that it's being forcefully censored by government intervention. No one cares if a piece of hardware was made in China. The problem is when they try to force their draconian, medieval censorship laws on us.
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Regardless of what happened on Steam, Steam is making changes to the client to conform to China's guidelines and there are reports that they pulled other games for similar reasons.

To be honest just about every form of entertainment has bent the knee to China, even sports franchises have gone out of there way to placate China when someone has said anything negative about China (so think about that when you are supporting your favourite team).

It's part of a bigger problem that we may be 5-10 behind on.
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wolfsite: Regardless of what happened on Steam, Steam is making changes to the client to conform to China's guidelines and there are reports that they pulled other games for similar reasons.

To be honest just about every form of entertainment has bent the knee to China, even sports franchises have gone out of there way to placate China when someone has said anything negative about China (so think about that when you are supporting your favourite team).

It's part of a bigger problem that we may be 5-10 behind on.
It makes me wonder how much influence China does have on western politics. How much is out there to make us look stupid to their people so they look superior? How much is it to undermine our culture and society so that it's easier for them to take the reigns?
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Saburo: 1) Out of all the Digital Distribution services, I actually like GoG. I like the fact that I can digitally download my favorite games and backup the Installer WITHOUT having to be online to install it. I'm also glad to re-buy much of my Steam collection onto GoG because of its DRM-Free status. I'm still proud of it, and nothing is going to change my mind(In fact, I've bought less games on Steam lately compared to GoG)

2) On the whole China thing, remember that this same stunt was pulled on Steam as well with Devotion. In fact, both Steam and GoG are beholden to China BECAUSE of how huge the market is there. Epic Games is owned by Tencent, a company that's apart of China. And I believe that EA and Ubisoft want a piece of the Chinese Market. Hell, even your favorite video game consoles were ether made in China, or had their parts Made in China. The Switch, the Playstation, the X-Box. Hell, even Androids and iPhones are made in China because they are cheaper to make there. Not to mention that's where most of the rare earth metals are.

So yeah. Those two reasons are why I'm not saying Adios to GoG. Hell, if I did do that, I would have to swear off gaming, and get rid of my smartphone and computer. But even if I did that, to be truly free of anything made in China is impossible, because our nation enabled this.
Not sure why you're talking about stuff being made in China and how it can't be avoided. This is not where the problem is at all. It's completely unrelated.

Briefly, the two main issues are: (1) Chinese censorship being applied globally. That's only possible because GOG allowed this. There is no evidence that either China or any Chinese people actually demanded the game to be delisted abroad. (2) GOG's betrayal of their customers' trust: lack of any explanation except the evidently false, condescending statement about "many gamers," and silence ever since (5 days now). Separately, GOG's treatment of the developer was also unbelievably bad: they too only found out the game was being delisted from GOG's public social media.

GOG was supposed to be all about ethics. Their professed values include "utmost care about customers" and "respecting game creators." Everything that happened in this situation speaks to the contrary. Perhaps there's some truth to the "curated experience" claim, only in the twisted sense that external actors get to "hand-pick" what is listed and delisted, while customers can't even get basic transparency regarding the decision process.

So the issue is essentially between GOG and the customers. Many people aren't even as much aggravated by the decision itself but by how it was communicated, and the handling of the whole situation. If you're fine with being treated like this then that's your prerogative but from what you wrote it looks like you might be a bit misinformed what this is actually about.

Regarding some other specific issues you brought up:

- You can get DRM-free games elsewhere too, and GOG hasn't really been fully DRM-free these days. That's one of the other promises they broke earlier.

- GOG is supposed to be the better experience, and doesn't shy from reminding us about it, so it shouldn't be surprising people hold them to a higher standard than, for example, Steam. But even then the situation on Steam was not comparable: Steam did not remove the game but the Chinese publisher lost their business license.

- For the record, rare-earth metals are not really rare. There's an abundance of them all over the world. Like many other things, it's just cheaper to get them from China. It helps a lot that nobody cares too much about environmental protection there.
Well, my main reason why I decide to stick to GOG:
1. The game here is DRM-free (well, alright, to be fair, most of it). I don't have to rely on constant internet connection (just like what you have to in mobile) to play the game. I can play the game free of internet cruelty.
2. I can download the offline installer. It allows me to install the game in my offline PC with ease. Just like the good old days.
3. The game sometimes comes out with extras too (like its soundtrack, wallpaper, and many other). I don't actually care about it, but it's kinda neat to have it (even though not all the soundtrack or other extras are available here, which is a shame). I don't have to spend hours to search for most of them in the internet.
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Saburo: Actually, two reasons why

1) Out of all the Digital Distribution services, I actually like GoG. I like the fact that I can digitally download my favorite games and backup the Installer WITHOUT having to be online to install it. I'm also glad to re-buy much of my Steam collection onto GoG because of its DRM-Free status. I'm still proud of it, and nothing is going to change my mind(In fact, I've bought less games on Steam lately compared to GoG)

2) On the whole China thing, remember that this same stunt was pulled on Steam as well with Devotion. In fact, both Steam and GoG are beholden to China BECAUSE of how huge the market is there. Epic Games is owned by Tencent, a company that's apart of China. And I believe that EA and Ubisoft want a piece of the Chinese Market. Hell, even your favorite video game consoles were ether made in China, or had their parts Made in China. The Switch, the Playstation, the X-Box. Hell, even Androids and iPhones are made in China because they are cheaper to make there. Not to mention that's where most of the rare earth metals are.

So yeah. Those two reasons are why I'm not saying Adios to GoG. Hell, if I did do that, I would have to swear off gaming, and get rid of my smartphone and computer. But even if I did that, to be truly free of anything made in China is impossible, because our nation enabled this.
Same here i plan to stick with GOG
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MoorOakheart: Well, my main reason why I decide to stick to GOG:
1. The game here is DRM-free (well, alright, to be fair, most of it). I don't have to rely on constant internet connection (just like what you have to in mobile) to play the game. I can play the game free of internet cruelty.
2. I can download the offline installer. It allows me to install the game in my offline PC with ease. Just like the good old days.
3. The game sometimes comes out with extras too (like its soundtrack, wallpaper, and many other). I don't actually care about it, but it's kinda neat to have it (even though not all the soundtrack or other extras are available here, which is a shame). I don't have to spend hours to search for most of them in the internet.
That's right on Number 2. I intend on downloading the Offline installers for the games I really like and back them up on a External Hard Drive that I plan on buying. Just in case this site goes 10 feet under or gets bought out by the Epic Game Store.
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Dreadjaws: Actually, things on Steam were different. The devs themselves pulled the game out of Steam due to it being review bombarded by chinese players. It's a whole different deal.
This. Stop trying to pretend this is a re-do of the Steam situation because it is not.
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This is why I'm giving GOG a break. I won't spend any more money here until they either release Devotion or remove all forms of DRM from single-player games. To my knowledge this includes No Man's Sky and now Cyberpunk. And it's only come to this because GOG decided on a bald-faced lie instead of telling the truth about why they're not releasing Devotion. I won't support a company that gives in to censorship, lies to its users and even compromises its stated mission and key selling point, anti-DRM.
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kohlrak: It makes me wonder how much influence China does have on western politics.
Out of the 193 countries of the UN, 14 recognise Taiwan as a country, because China insists, you can either have diplomatic relationships with them, or Taiwan, but not both. The biggest country of those 14 is Guatemala.
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kohlrak: It makes me wonder how much influence China does have on western politics.
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toxicTom: Out of the 193 countries of the UN, 14 recognise Taiwan as a country, because China insists, you can either have diplomatic relationships with them, or Taiwan, but not both. The biggest country of those 14 is Guatemala.
Which, given Israel's history, and how much israel is villainized in the west, the fact that it is recognized and Taiwan isn't is a a huge, huge indicator of something. Taiwan is certainly more popular than Israel, yet Israel is the one recognized, and i don't believe it's some Jewish boogeyman that magically makes it so, especially given how jews seem to be universally hated by those on the poles of the spectrum. it's definitely chinese influence holding Taiwan back.

However, my bigger question is how much of the garbage politics like the anti-police riots and the like are the doing of Chinese influence, especially with all the corporate support?
To those who keep saying that the Steam situation is different then why is the game not listed on there now that the offending content was removed from the game?

Do you think its because the dev’s don’t want the game listed on Steam? No, I didn’t think so.

If you’re going to criticise GOG for this, and yes, the way they handled the situation was appalling in terms of their PR, but it is EXACTLY the same situation on Steam.
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Eddster: To those who keep saying that the Steam situation is different then why is the game not listed on there now that the offending content was removed from the game?

Do you think its because the dev’s don’t want the game listed on Steam? No, I didn’t think so.

If you’re going to criticise GOG for this, and yes, the way they handled the situation was appalling in terms of their PR, but it is EXACTLY the same situation on Steam.
The difference is that GOG agreed and then pulled out. If Steam had agreed to a re-release of this game and then went back on their word like this, I'd be giving them just as much shit right now. But they didn't. The only time it was brought to Steam was the first one, and the devs pulled it from Steam themselves in that instance.
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Steam agreed to release it to begin with and now are not putting the game back. It is exactly the same situation, the only difference is they weren’t stupid enough to announce its delisting.
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