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same as gOg:

you buy a game license, but you also subscribe to a service to manage your licenses / games

these are in fact two different and separate 'purchases'. so you buy a game license for the game, and then you pay Steam or gOg for managing the game (storage, update, meta-services and so on). If / when a service provider folds, you technically still own the game license. it is only the license provider (the publisher of the game), not the service (i.e. Steam or gOg) that can revoke a license
Post edited September 01, 2020 by amok
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Truth007: offline is not reliable on steam, sometimes you need to log in for some games after a certain amount of time.
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StingingVelvet: This was true a decade ago and gets repeated, but it's not really true anymore in my experience. I was offline for 6 months once when teaching overseas, and never had an issue.
That is what I meant by unreliable, sometimes it works but earlier this year I couldn't play a game after a while of not logging in.
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StingingVelvet: This was true a decade ago and gets repeated, but it's not really true anymore in my experience. I was offline for 6 months once when teaching overseas, and never had an issue.
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Truth007: That is what I meant by unreliable, sometimes it works but earlier this year I couldn't play a game after a while of not logging in.
Steam offline mode and DRM-free games on Steam are two completely different things.

AFAIK, you can play any game on Steam in offline mode, at least for a while.
But games which don't use Steam client for anything else but being installed that way can be played on computers that have never had Steam client installed on them.

There is also something that might be called "grey area" where you can replace the game exe with a modified one, meaning that a game that might need Steam client can run without it. Sometimes you can simply use a no-DVD patch for older games, so the solution even predates Steam in some cases.
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StingingVelvet: This was true a decade ago and gets repeated, but it's not really true anymore in my experience. I was offline for 6 months once when teaching overseas, and never had an issue.
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Truth007: That is what I meant by unreliable, sometimes it works but earlier this year I couldn't play a game after a while of not logging in.
with me it is most of the time a proces that changed the system in any way, be it a windows reset for some reason or a update with a system impact that will trigger the online activation procedure for some games.

i have times that i also play offline for the bigger part of months or almost a period of 8 months a couple of years ago without any real trouble
Because you get "owned" everytime you fork over money for a DRM-ed game...
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AB2012: [...]
Even "the litmus test of owning something is being able to legally resell it" isn't always true of physical goods either. Eg, I can buy a toothbrush or 101x other personal items from the supermarket, open the package and use them once, and under national Health & Safety / Consumer Rights legislation I certainly wouldn't legally be able to resell (or refund) them as they were originally sold to me, but I sure still own those items despite being non-transferable "one-way" purchases.
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that's utter tosh and rubbish. off course you can sell a used toothbrush, there is nothing stopping you doing so if you find someone silly enough to buy a used toothbrush. there is absolutely no legislation against it. i can't really think of any physical goods you can not re-sell legally, as long as you are the legal owner of it

refunding is something else and very different from se-selling, so please do not conflate the argument

edit - mixing up my conflating and confounding....
Post edited September 02, 2020 by amok
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amok: that's utter tosh and rubbish. off course you can sell a used toothbrush, there is nothing stopping you doing so if you find someone silly enough to buy a used toothbrush. there is absolutely no legislation against it.
I said "legally as they were originally sold to me". If you want to go down the route of finding an idiot who'll buy anything for cash in a back alley, then you can also make 100x copies of a disc and sell those, but that's not the same thing either... As for legislation, of course it exists. Why do you thing the Distance Selling Regulation makes exemptions for things like food, used bus tickets, etc, why charities can't accept your donated furniture with fire safety labels missing, why you can't sell unwanted prescription medication on Ebay, and why Trading Standards would have a field day if Tesco started selling used tampons, etc...

The fact is, there absolutely are plenty of physical goods you really cannot legally resell for legal / hygiene reasons. DRM-Free offline installers is just one of those special cases where people naturally accept they can buy it without being able to legally resell them on due to the inherent properties of the item.
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amok: that's utter tosh and rubbish. off course you can sell a used toothbrush, there is nothing stopping you doing so if you find someone silly enough to buy a used toothbrush. there is absolutely no legislation against it.
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AB2012: I said "legally as they were originally sold to me". If you want to go down the route of finding an idiot who'll buy anything for cash in a back alley, then you can also make 100x copies of a disc and sell those, but that's not the same thing either...
yeah... that's illegal, and as I say, you can sell your used toothbrush legaly

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AB2012: As for legislation, of course it exists. Why do you thing the Distance Selling Regulation makes exemptions for things like food, used bus tickets, etc, why charities can't accept your donated furniture with fire safety labels missing, why you can't sell unwanted prescription medication on Ebay, and why Trading Standards would have a field day if Tesco started selling used tampons, etc...

The fact is, there absolutely are plenty of physical goods you really cannot legally resell for legal / hygiene reasons. DRM-Free offline installers is just one of those special cases where people naturally accept they can buy it without being able to legally resell them on due to the inherent properties of the item.
no, you are now talking about legislation that are in place for established businesses and protection of cunsumers. you are again conflating the issue.

as a privat person I can legally sell you my used toothbrush, or old bread, or furniture without fire label. I can not sell you my gOg games.
Post edited September 02, 2020 by amok
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timppu: Since Steam is in a such dominant position in PC gaming, they use the term "owned" more in the sense of "haha I pwned ya, l0s€r!".
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Strijkbout: Accompanying music
This part, in particular.