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General discussionWhole bunch of games [from Zonitron] just removed from steam(57 posts)(57 posts)
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Posted September 26, 2017
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OldFatGuy: So you buy and OWN the games, and then Steam removes them?
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zeogold: You don't own the game, you just own the license to use it, which can be revoked at any time. That's Steam for you.
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nicohvc: I was wondering of that was the reason... and seems to be that if you agree.
I bet that they got some "fraudulent" greenlight upvotes by, for example, giving away games with cards.
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zeogold: It most definitely was. Or at least, I hope it was, since this would mean Steam's finally doing something against the wave of games and devs like this. I remember seeing a video where they were mentioned and it was explained how they were making money. Lemme see if I can find it.
Edit: Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjoYaJWzylI
It's not explicitly about THEM, but they're mentioned.
I am sorry to keep repeating this...

The OP is wrong, the games are only removed from sale, not from people's accounts.
Posted September 26, 2017
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zeogold: It most definitely was. Or at least, I hope it was, since this would mean Steam's finally doing something against the wave of games and devs like this. I remember seeing a video where they were mentioned and it was explained how they were making money. Lemme see if I can find it.
Edit: Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjoYaJWzylI
It's not explicitly about THEM, but they're mentioned.
Good video, nice find. Thanks for sharing.
Posted September 26, 2017
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zeogold: You don't own the game, you just own the license to use it, which can be revoked at any time. That's Steam for you.

It most definitely was. Or at least, I hope it was, since this would mean Steam's finally doing something against the wave of games and devs like this. I remember seeing a video where they were mentioned and it was explained how they were making money. Lemme see if I can find it.
Edit: Here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjoYaJWzylI
It's not explicitly about THEM, but they're mentioned.
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amok: I am sorry to keep repeating this...

The OP is wrong, the games are only removed from sale, not from people's accounts.
Well I'm not sure about that as I have spoken to two different people who use steam and confirmed to me that (some of ie. they did not own all of) these games have been deleted from their personal library.

Perhaps it is regional? I don't know. Just sharing the discussion link here so need to get your panties in a bunch :) (That is a joke - in case it gets lost in translation).

If you still have the games then great for you. I don't own any of these titles personally.
Posted September 26, 2017
It'd be interesting to know how many people actually back up their GOG games, taking advantage of the DRM-free state. I don't currently. My guess would be very few, other than some of those on the forum.

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nicohvc: And why Zonitron was banned?
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zeogold: Probably because they're a scam company that makes crap games using asset flips.
See also: Digital Homicide
That's the sense I got from those game names listed. :P
Posted September 26, 2017
Steam's standard behavior on this has pretty much always been to remove from sale and leave the games already purchased in the library of those that did. The OP's link doesn't mention it, similar threads about the same topic are confirming the games stay in your library, they're just removed from your game count. Going to assume the OP's friends are either wrong or one of you is confusing "removed" from count with removed from library.
Post edited September 26, 2017 by Pheace
Posted September 26, 2017
That's so weird
Posted September 26, 2017
People do it to make money off of the cards. There are whole steam groups devoted to idling in which people buy ridiculously cheap games from sites like steamgrounds or Daily Indie Gamer . They then have people either play the game or use idling software such as ASF or Idlemaster to make it look like they are playing the games to get card drops. Most people see the trading cards as useless but they are one of a devs biggest income on a steam game after the cut they get from steam. Steam trading cards are sold for a minimum of 3 cents. 1 cent goes to Valve. 1 cent goes to the developer and 1 cent goes to the user selling the card on the community market. Because of this and the Badge system trading cards are a popular commodity. Scummy Developers create Asset Flip games to sell trading cards. They generate hundreds of thousands of keys then sell them at minimum prices or even give them away. There is a whole monopoly behind it which is one of the reasons I like GOG because we dont have all of those problems. I'm quite knowledgeable in the subject as I idle and play games for several of these groups to expand my gaming interests. If anyone has any more questions feel free to reply to this comment or PM me.
Posted September 26, 2017
Why do countries and states not raise the tax on electricity to combat s**t like this? (People having a game open and running not really to play but to accumulate play time.)
Post edited September 26, 2017 by Themken
Posted September 26, 2017
Steam has only ever removed a game from all accounts in the case of an online-only game whose servers were permanently shut down. Not really a big issue for Steam since the game can't work without the servers anyway. Square-Enix caught some flak for shutting down Order of War: Challenge and rightfully so.
Posted September 26, 2017
Nothing new. Zonitron somehow managed to keep low and kept milking those sweet dollars, to the very end. Quality control finally striked, albeit late.

Just don't coat this with anti-consumer nonsense.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by Galamid
Posted September 26, 2017
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tremere110: Steam has only ever removed a game from all accounts in the case of an online-only game whose servers were permanently shut down. Not really a big issue for Steam since the game can't work without the servers anyway. Square-Enix caught some flak for shutting down Order of War: Challenge and rightfully so.
Not Really. Steam has removed games from libraries before. I believe Hatred was such a case? Maybe several others.
Also this proves it's not even requires having "special conditions" in order to happen.
Posted September 26, 2017
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BlackThorny: Not Really. Steam has removed games from libraries before. I believe Hatred was such a case? [...]
Sorry, no, it is not a case. Hatred is still there for those who bought it legally.

Just as with gOg, Steam only remove games from an account if it turns out the game where legal ownership is in dispute, i.e. bought a key on G2A which turns out to be the result of a credit card scam, or from stolen keys.
Posted September 26, 2017
They will be missed. As much as Digital Homicide.
Posted September 26, 2017
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SirPrimalform: I didn't say anything about renting, I said subscribing. When you subscribe to a service for money you buy a subscription so the word buy is fine.

Note the very name of this document: http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

I'm not saying their claims would hold up in court, but a subscription is what they call it, renting has nothing to do with it.
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TARFU: OK, let's go with your "subscription" concept. Suppose I am subscribed to a magazine, like "Time" or "National Geographic". The magazine goes out of business or the photographer that took the photos for several issues quits and goes elsewhere to work. Do the publishers of the magazines then have the right to come to my house at anytime, seize and remove any of their magazines I have subscribed to (and paid money for)?

If I subscribe to a "cheese of the month" club, upon stopping the sale of cheddar, can a company come into my house and confiscate all uneaten cheddar purchased through my "subscription"?
Those are products, a better comparison would be Netflix.
Posted September 26, 2017
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TARFU: OK, let's go with your "subscription" concept. Suppose I am subscribed to a magazine, like "Time" or "National Geographic". The magazine goes out of business or the photographer that took the photos for several issues quits and goes elsewhere to work. Do the publishers of the magazines then have the right to come to my house at anytime, seize and remove any of their magazines I have subscribed to (and paid money for)?

If I subscribe to a "cheese of the month" club, upon stopping the sale of cheddar, can a company come into my house and confiscate all uneaten cheddar purchased through my "subscription"?
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SirPrimalform: Those are products, a better comparison would be Netflix.
which also would be wrong, as you don't "buy" individual films/series on Netflix, but just subscribe to the service. Netflix is almost what some cloud based game providers (like OnLive) tried to do
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