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First and foremost I am Anti-DRM, Anti-Suprise Mechanics - apologies - I mean Lootbox and ownership is a big deal for me. If it's available on GOG then I buy from GOG even if the cost is higher.
I do have a Steam account and lately I have been really tempted to buy Shadow of the Tomb Raider but I can't convince myself to do it knowing that I am only buying a license to play the game which I do not own a digital or physical copy of and obviously it has DRM.
So I am just curious really, have any of you in the GOG community been in the position that I am in at the moment where your principles are stopping you from doing something that my will actually enjoy?
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Yes. I ignore all DRM-ed games. Sure there are some that I would like to play, some classics among them. But I wait until they are released without DRM - and if they never are, I will just play other games. There are plenty of good DRM-free games to last several lifetimes.
People will chime in and nitpick about how you're "only" buying a license on GOG too, though of course when we talk about ownership obviously we're including the common meaning idea of "control over the product." Fact of the matter is that GOG essentially gives that, while DRMed stores do not. It is a matter of personal opinion and preference as to when, if ever, to compromise on principles like refusing to buy DRMed games. I think you will find many here do indeed forgo buying on Scheme, Epic Fail Store, and other such places. After all, these practices really should not be supported and have only spiraled worse and worse out of control over the years. For as much enjoyment as might come out of some of those games, there is also an enjoyment found in sticking up for yourself as a consumer and supporting better practices. And, happily, there is not a shortage of great games to be found here anyway. As for your particular example, I would much rather play the classic Tomb Raiders anyway, the older the better imo :)
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rjbuffchix: People will chime in and nitpick about how you're "only" buying a license on GOG too, though of course when we talk about ownership obviously we're including the common meaning idea of "control over the product." Fact of the matter is that GOG essentially gives that, while DRMed stores do not. It is a matter of personal opinion and preference as to when, if ever, to compromise on principles like refusing to buy DRMed games. I think you will find many here do indeed forgo buying on Scheme, Epic Fail Store, and other such places. After all, these practices really should not be supported and have only spiraled worse and worse out of control over the years. For as much enjoyment as might come out of some of those games, there is also an enjoyment found in sticking up for yourself as a consumer and supporting better practices. And, happily, there is not a shortage of great games to be found here anyway. As for your particular example, I would much rather play the classic Tomb Raiders anyway, the older the better imo :)
The thing is: if a game is only purchasable WITH DRM, not buying it doesn't send the signal that you want it DRM-free. I've bought a few games on Steam (that aren't on GOG, or drm-free). My way of 'punishing' DRM is that I won't pay more than 2 euro, even though I like the game and wanted to play it years before.
Oh, and I also download a cracked backup copy.
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teceem: The thing is: if a game is only purchasable WITH DRM, not buying it doesn't send the signal that you want it DRM-free.
And even if you did send a signal somehow, it's a mere vote against the tyranny of the majority. Which achieves nothing.
It's not about sending a signal against DRM, so much as it is about sending a signal in favor of a DRM-free store.
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Retroman88: First and foremost I am Anti-DRM, Anti-Suprise Mechanics - apologies - I mean Lootbox and ownership is a big deal for me. If it's available on GOG then I buy from GOG even if the cost is higher.
I do have a Steam account and lately I have been really tempted to buy Shadow of the Tomb Raider but I can't convince myself to do it knowing that I am only buying a license to play the game which I do not own a digital or physical copy of and obviously it has DRM.
So I am just curious really, have any of you in the GOG community been in the position that I am in at the moment where your principles are stopping you from doing something that my will actually enjoy?
I used to stick with mostly physical media on both PC and consoles, then I started keeping digital installers on various storage devices. As to your initial questioning: No, I only follow similar principles that don't majorly negatively impact me personally to uphold them. Well, with the exceptiun of following laws on heinous crimes like murder, of course.
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teceem: The thing is: if a game is only purchasable WITH DRM, not buying it doesn't send the signal that you want it DRM-free. I've bought a few games on Steam (that aren't on GOG, or drm-free). My way of 'punishing' DRM is that I won't pay more than 2 euro, even though I like the game and wanted to play it years before.
Oh, and I also download a cracked backup copy.
I also buy in deep sales to protest DRM, and sometimes rarely make backups in such ways to not lose bought games. I try to get most things legally, if I can, though.
Post edited September 14, 2019 by BigBobsBeepers
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If the value I get out of something proceeds the value I put into any principle/moral, I will break that principle/moral any day of the week. Within reason, of course.

DRM leaves a crappy aftertaste in my mouth though so the game needs to be really cheap and really good for me to break that principle.
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If you don't stick to your principles when they're being tested, they're not principles, they're hobbies.

So of course I've been in that situation, frequently, and I stick to my principles. When it comes to things like this, which are not actually necessary, it's not even a question. Of course if it's not sold just as I want it to be, which includes DRM free but ALSO not having regional prices above the base one, I will neither purchase it nor cause it to be purchased (such as by asking for it in a free choice giveaway or trading for it if I'd have a choice of what to receive) and will only perhaps try to get them if the codes are already bought.
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Lifthrasil: Yes. I ignore all DRM-ed games. Sure there are some that I would like to play, some classics among them. But I wait until they are released without DRM - and if they never are, I will just play other games. There are plenty of good DRM-free games to last several lifetimes.
^ This. +1
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teceem: The thing is: if a game is only purchasable WITH DRM, not buying it doesn't send the signal that you want it DRM-free.
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clarry: And even if you did send a signal somehow, it's a mere vote against the tyranny of the majority. Which achieves nothing.
It could be something you do because when you exercise will you strengthen it. When you don't, it atrophies. And perhaps you set a good example for others to follow.
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DadJoke007: If the value I get out of something proceeds the value I put into any principle/moral, I will break that principle/moral any day of the week. Within reason, of course.

DRM leaves a crappy aftertaste in my mouth though so the game needs to be really cheap and really good for me to break that principle.
You get no value *out* of following principles?
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richlind33: You get no value *out* of following principles?
Of course I do, it's the value I put in those principles. If that value is 8, and breaking it would give me a 9 in value, I would break that principle.

Or are you suggesting that it's the gift that keeps on giving as long as you stay pure?
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Retroman88: have any of you in the GOG community been in the position that I am in at the moment where your principles are stopping you from doing something that my will actually enjoy?
Well, I've been mostly avoiding pirating, so that's something I guess? Granted with my backlog (in games, anime, music, whathaveyou) I have no need to pirate.
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richlind33: You get no value *out* of following principles?
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DadJoke007: Of course I do, it's the value I put in those principles. If that value is 8, and breaking it would give me a 9 in value, I would break that principle.

Or are you suggesting that it's the gift that keeps on giving as long as you stay pure?
These values go to 11.
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richlind33: You get no value *out* of following principles?
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DadJoke007: Of course I do, it's the value I put in those principles. If that value is 8, and breaking it would give me a 9 in value, I would break that principle.

Or are you suggesting that it's the gift that keeps on giving as long as you stay pure?
What you put in and what you get out are two different things, like investment, and return. If there's no return, what's the point of the investment?

Personally, I think investing in ethics pays huge dividends -- in the long-term; short-term not so much.
Post edited September 14, 2019 by richlind33