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morolf: It's ok, if one only talks about games (the real purpose of this site after all).
If one makes the mistake to discuss anything else, it's a rather frustrating site imo.
So one should stick to discussing games (even though I don't always follow that advice myself).
To be fair GOG's rules do not say no political discussion. As I remember they say no political discussion unless it has a direct relationship to games and / or gaming.

I understand your thinking, but people who bully others won't stop unless others stand up to them. They'll find more-and-more things they don't like about others and attack more-and-more people. In fact I've seen it -- recently -- over simply enjoying a game they hate and posting a thread for GOG to take a second look at the title.
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GameRager: Also there is a glitch where if someone uprates a low rated post and that post doesn't go normal rated by that uprating, the person uprated will end up losing a point of rep.
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Zrevnur: Did you report this? Can they really not fix sth as simple as that?
Many of us have brought up these issues.
Post edited December 03, 2019 by kai2
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"What's with low-rated posts?" Misery loves company. lol
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Zrevnur:
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LootHunter: As I've said, I'm not sure of anything.
Yep, I agree.
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ColaPoweredGamer: Ok, so let me get this straight. Certain people are being low rated, due to a "vendetta" or other post made years ago, and their posts may be hidden.
The system has been abused since a while, making it kinda broken by now, but that's only part of the story.
There are a few trolls, scammers and crap people who frankly deserved their reputation.
So, be careful about who you're going to trust here.
Post edited December 03, 2019 by phaolo
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ColaPoweredGamer: Why, not solve the bot problem, or make the rep obsolete?
The rep system is currently the only way to deal with another bot problem: spam.
You need to earn rep to be able to post links, so newly created accounts can't do it which effectively prevents spam bots from posting links, even if they manage to post their silly messages.
And also the 'downvote' is the first step for spam reporting, you can only report a post as spam if you downvoted it first.

So they can't simply turn off the rep system, or else either nobody or everybody (including spam bots) can post links, and reporting spam would become impossible - or abused instead of the downvote button.

We've made countless suggestions how to at least improve the rep system like:
- disable downvote, or all voting, if you have < 10 rep yourself (would prevent rep abuse via alt-accounts)
- make up-/downvotes public (if you push that button, you show your face)
- allow only a certain number of votes per day
etc. pp.
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ColaPoweredGamer: Why, not solve the bot problem, or make the rep obsolete?
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toxicTom: The rep system is currently the only way to deal with another bot problem: spam.
You need to earn rep to be able to post links, so newly created accounts can't do it which effectively prevents spam bots from posting links, even if they manage to post their silly messages.
And also the 'downvote' is the first step for spam reporting, you can only report a post as spam if you downvoted it first.

So they can't simply turn off the rep system, or else either nobody or everybody (including spam bots) can post links, and reporting spam would become impossible - or abused instead of the downvote button.

We've made countless suggestions how to at least improve the rep system like:
- disable downvote, or all voting, if you have < 10 rep yourself (would prevent rep abuse via alt-accounts)
- make up-/downvotes public (if you push that button, you show your face)
- allow only a certain number of votes per day
etc. pp.
All of those issues are easily fixed.

1. No negative reputation, only positive with a threshold to post links (maybe 20?). Bots wouldn't gain positive reputation so no worries.

2. A "report" button that's easy to see in the header of every post. This allows easy reportage of spam or posts not conforming to rules.

3. Leave any possible lowering of reputation or forum functionality (like posting links) to the mods' discretion.

Problem solved.

Why does this work better than the current system? Because bullies would have to validate their arguments against other forum members to mods and this would weed out 3/4's or more of these frivolous and mean-spirited attacks... leaving primarily the big issues (real problems) to get reported to mods... which is what we want.

And as to whether reporting would become over-used...

... it's already over-used -- often alongside down-voting. I know. I've been reported for literally nothing; a forum member claimed I was attacking him simply because I didn't agree with him (which I showed the mods and nothing ultimately came of it). So yeah, the whole system is already abused.
Post edited December 03, 2019 by kai2
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kai2: 2. A "report" button that's easy to see in the header of every post. This allows easy reportage of spam or posts not conforming to rules.
The current "report as spam" button does not report anything to any blue. If enough people press this, the post will simply be deleted. And if it's the first of a thread, the thread will go too.
This way mods only have to deal with massive spam waves, single posts are taken care of by the users themselves.

So if you remove the downvote-button, people would use the "report as spam" button to make the "enemies'" posts disappear. Making "report as spam" an "report to blue" button instead of "auto-delete after x reports" is something GOG obviously doesn't want since it would require more manpower to check each and every complaint.
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toxicTom: ...Making "report as spam" an "report to blue" button instead of "auto-delete after x reports" is something GOG obviously doesn't want since it would require more manpower to check each and every complaint.
Saving pennies while bleeding dollars is how GOG attracts investors. lol
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LOL! Damn...

Turning off JerkMuter is like turning off Ublock Origin on youtube and everywhere else.... Pure chaos on the eyes :D
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Yep, I agree.
Just because your biggest problem(i.e. TinyE) is gone doesn't mean you need to leave rude remarks for other users.
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phaolo: There are a few trolls, scammers and crap people who frankly deserved their reputation.
So, be careful about who you're going to trust here.
Some, yes, but sadly also a good number are just targets of someone else with bots/alts and too much time on their hands.
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toxicTom: The rep system is currently the only way to deal with another bot problem: spam.
You need to earn rep to be able to post links, so newly created accounts can't do it which effectively prevents spam bots from posting links, even if they manage to post their silly messages.
It didn't help against the Bahbah Jee spam, now did it? :|

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toxicTom: And also the 'downvote' is the first step for spam reporting, you can only report a post as spam if you downvoted it first.
They could put that button aside from that button/function, like other forums, if they put some effort in.

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toxicTom: So they can't simply turn off the rep system, or else either nobody or everybody (including spam bots) can post links, and reporting spam would become impossible - or abused instead of the downvote button.
Turning off the r*p system wouldn't necessarily mean stopping link posting for everyone. I am sure there are workarounds to stop spammers yet allow good posters to post...also as said above: That rep system/etc doesn't stop thread flooding.

Also others can still abuse the spam button as well if they so choose(though they shouldn't)...it just takes twice as many clicks.

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toxicTom: We've made countless suggestions how to at least improve the rep system like:
- disable downvote, or all voting, if you have < 10 rep yourself (would prevent rep abuse via alt-accounts)
- make up-/downvotes public (if you push that button, you show your face)
- allow only a certain number of votes per day
etc. pp.
Let's be honest....if it were most other sites they'd be doing these things....but gog is cheap with such things and wants to spend more money and time on it's "steam k*ller" galaxy 2.0

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toxicTom: The current "report as spam" button does not report anything to any blue. If enough people press this, the post will simply be deleted. And if it's the first of a thread, the thread will go too.
That is pants on head ret*rded(pardon my french).

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toxicTom: So if you remove the downvote-button, people would use the "report as spam" button to make the "enemies'" posts disappear. Making "report as spam" an "report to blue" button instead of "auto-delete after x reports" is something GOG obviously doesn't want since it would require more manpower to check each and every complaint.
Some could already do this, as I said, by clicking the low rate then report as spam enough times...it just doubles the clicks needed.
Post edited December 03, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: It didn't help against the Bahbah Jee spam, now did it? :|
Baba Jee couldn't post links. So it worked, in a way.

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GameRager: That is pants on head ret*rded(pardon my french).
It has worked for years. And - until Witcher 3 brought tons of new users here - pretty well. Tone and manners have gone downhill ever since. And a lot of very nice people left.

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GameRager: Some could already do this, as I said, by clicking the low rate then report as spam enough times...it just doubles the clicks needed.
It has been done. But right now the downvote trolls seem to find delight in leaving visible downvoted posts. Take this opportunity from them and they will resort to spam-delete posts of their "foes".

The whole forum would need a complete overhaul. For years now. For GOG the forum - esp. the General - ist probably not really important. Only a small minority of GOG users ever post here. More important are probably the game forums, because that where you can get help without pestering GOG support (users help users). And in those forums - while the occasional spam bot hits them - the downvoting problem is almost non-existent.
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ColaPoweredGamer: I don't want to step on someone's toes, and get a bad rep.
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Leroux: Don't worry about it. Unless you're out to insult others, condone piracy or DRM, or furiously fight over politics, I'm sure you'll be fine. The best thing you can do is chat about games instead. ;)
I've been low rated for discussing games, even when the discussion is purely about gameplay and doesn't involve anything that could be remotely political, so that advice, unfortunately, doesn't work so well here.

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Leroux: IMO, it's neither of those things. It's just a very mixed bunch of all kinds of people, some very friendly and helpful, some rather bitter and aggressive, some both, depending on their current mood etc. It's not homogenous in any case, and too big to be actually "great" or "nice" in its entirety, just like almost everywhere else on the internet. The really nice communities are usually communities that are so niche, small and unknown, that they haven't attracted any trolls and hotheads yet.
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morolf: It's ok, if one only talks about games (the real purpose of this site after all).
If one makes the mistake to discuss anything else, it's a rather frustrating site imo.
So one should stick to discussing games (even though I don't always follow that advice myself).
Actually, discussing only games is not enough to avoid the toxic parts of the community, and as I said, not enough to avoid downvotes.

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kai2: 2. A "report" button that's easy to see in the header of every post. This allows easy reportage of spam or posts not conforming to rules.
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toxicTom: The current "report as spam" button does not report anything to any blue. If enough people press this, the post will simply be deleted. And if it's the first of a thread, the thread will go too.
This way mods only have to deal with massive spam waves, single posts are taken care of by the users themselves.

So if you remove the downvote-button, people would use the "report as spam" button to make the "enemies'" posts disappear. Making "report as spam" an "report to blue" button instead of "auto-delete after x reports" is something GOG obviously doesn't want since it would require more manpower to check each and every complaint.
Naturally, this can result in legitimate topics that have had plenty of good discussion being deleted, and that has happened.

What's even worse is that, when this happens to a topic you've posted in, it breaks the "topics i've posted in" list on the main forum page, making it impossible to view past the first five entries.
Post edited December 03, 2019 by dtgreene
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toxicTom: More important are probably the game forums, because that where you can get help without pestering GOG support (users help users). And in those forums - while the occasional spam bot hits them - the downvoting problem is almost non-existent.
Until something controversal happens to a well-known game, like that one Baldur's Gate expansion being released to significant controversy, and then we see low rated posts in that game specific forum.
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dtgreene: Naturally, this can result in legitimate topics that have had plenty of good discussion being deleted, and that has happened.

What's even worse is that, when this happens to a topic you've posted in, it breaks the "topics i've posted in" list on the main forum page, making it impossible to view past the first five entries.
True. "Insult to injury" comes to mind...
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dtgreene: Until something controversal happens to a well-known game, like that one Baldur's Gate expansion being released to significant controversy, and then we see low rated posts in that game specific forum.
That went by me...

Fortunately the game specific forums are mostly about fixing things, mods, gameplay hint etc. So occurrences like this are pretty rare.
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dtgreene: Actually, discussing only games is not enough to avoid the toxic parts of the community
You're right, however, you yourself is a part of this "toxic" community... evidenced by your faux pas against GameRager a few days ago.

But then again, your behavior indicate you will never be that introspective to see it and admit it. ;)

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toxicTom: So if you remove the downvote-button, people would use the "report as spam" button to make the "enemies'" posts disappear.
Really nice excuse, don't you think? Faulty by choice/design :D

Just like with ordinary crime you need pro-active mods riding along the community, not hiding in the bushes and let the community fend off the criminals themselves while they semi-peek in randomly. GOG has repeatedly sacked those that actually were active. Trying to enforce some good manners by some of in the community will not work all the way.

EDIT: This forum isn't that big - removing the minus button and the report spam button, and have more active mods (some forums enlists community mods as well) and you solve many problems. So it can be done... they just choose to scrub it under the carpet.
Post edited December 03, 2019 by sanscript