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amok: in the first line, you show yourself how it is less convenient :)

also not forget that "piracy" has several connotations that many not want to be associated with. So when it is more convince, and it works (for the majority, it does work), then it is really nothing to argue with.

You are taking that standpoint that Steam do not work, you keep forgetting that from most people it is working as intended. And the DRM is not intrusive.
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gamesfreak64: just replace Crime by DRM
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amok: Cobra is the cure for DRM?
I'd argue that you're probably reading on Steam about the game before making the final buy decision. Does reading make the purchase any less convenient? No, its only but a part of going to the point where you make the decision. Same here for piracy. Ironically though, legit customers are being associated with poor fellows who can't seem to get working games while the pirates are actually enjoying it. Either side of the playing field is dirty.

It is working as it is intended until the system blows up on you. They act like the system will never blow up just because they paid money. That is where they are wrong.
Anyone has played or bought packs for battleforge?

Game was first with dx10 and later with dx11! And then the servers went down.
Anyone has any info how to get the game and play offline perhaps?
Legally we should be able to play it if we bought stuff in there.
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amok: in the first line, you show yourself how it is less convenient :)

also not forget that "piracy" has several connotations that many not want to be associated with. So when it is more convince, and it works (for the majority, it does work), then it is really nothing to argue with.

You are taking that standpoint that Steam do not work, you keep forgetting that from most people it is working as intended. And the DRM is not intrusive.

Cobra is the cure for DRM?
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PookaMustard: I'd argue that you're probably reading on Steam about the game before making the final buy decision. Does reading make the purchase any less convenient? No, its only but a part of going to the point where you make the decision. Same here for piracy. Ironically though, legit customers are being associated with poor fellows who can't seem to get working games while the pirates are actually enjoying it. Either side of the playing field is dirty.

It is working as it is intended until the system blows up on you. They act like the system will never blow up just because they paid money. That is where they are wrong.
and for most people (this is the majority...) it does not blow. That's the whole point. For the majority steam is easy and convenient. Yes, you had a bad experience, but you are in a minority. That do not change that for most people, for them Steam works as intended, which is why it is popular.

edit -this is becoming a circular argument and bit pointless. You want to understand how other people view Steam, but are not capable to see beyond your own experience. Nothing wrong with that at all, but do not call it "the majority" and wonder why others do not share your view. First thing you need to do is to see it from their side. Unless you can do that, there is no going further.
Post edited November 27, 2015 by amok
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ambient_orange: Anyone has played or bought packs for battleforge?

Game was first with dx10 and later with dx11! And then the servers went down.
Anyone has any info how to get the game and play offline perhaps?
Legally we should be able to play it if we bought stuff in there.
nope, not me, dont have the game.
a good think though is to mentioned that 'thanks' to mickeysoft, the dx gets upgraded, meaning that in short time games require dx11 or higher GPU, since my old gpu only supports 10 (i hope) i be in big trouble, cause the rest op the system is still strong enough to run the games so the gpu will once again be the bottleneck, just like in the good old gaming days on pc.
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ambient_orange: Legally we should be able to play it if we bought stuff in there.
Got an old computer that uses only 8-inch disks. I should be able to find software in 8-inch disk format too, not only CD or on-line.
If you bought your stuff in an online game and that game it's shutting down, you will never be able to play with your stuff anymore. I'm surely that you gladly signed an agreement that states that. You might be able to get the game, set up and private server and play there, but you will probably not have access to the data that was on the original servers.

And there's the difference that i always see it regarding legality of different things. Legally, you are allowed to modify the game so it will run by dodging the servers. We are moving pass the fact that you are not, legally, allowed to do that in Lithuania, so you might need an visa and an plane ticket to do that. Legally, you should not be able to play. You signed the agreement that had some special termination clauses like most online games have, they are not obligated to keep servers up forever. But, legally, as you like to say, you can crack it in US and play it. I don't know if anyone would be able to do that, having in mind that it's an online game, with a lot of info on the servers and not in your PC, but you can try to.
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ambient_orange: Legally we should be able to play it if we bought stuff in there.
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mindblast: Got an old computer that uses only 8-inch disks. I should be able to find software in 8-inch disk format too, not only CD or on-line.
If you bought your stuff in an online game and that game it's shutting down, you will never be able to play with your stuff anymore. I'm surely that you gladly signed an agreement that states that. You might be able to get the game, set up and private server and play there, but you will probably not have access to the data that was on the original servers.

And there's the difference that i always see it regarding legality of different things. Legally, you are allowed to modify the game so it will run by dodging the servers. We are moving pass the fact that you are not, legally, allowed to do that in Lithuania, so you might need an visa and an plane ticket to do that. Legally, you should not be able to play. You signed the agreement that had some special termination clauses like most online games have, they are not obligated to keep servers up forever. But, legally, as you like to say, you can crack it in US and play it. I don't know if anyone would be able to do that, having in mind that it's an online game, with a lot of info on the servers and not in your PC, but you can try to.
Im not talking about them keeping servers up forever. Im about game being able to work offline, or lan or p2p servers. Like it should. There never should be optionless game - Thats where game gets online only untill it gets servers down.
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PookaMustard: It is working as it is intended until the system blows up on you. They act like the system will never blow up just because they paid money. That is where they are wrong.
You know what, you are correct. It is working as intended until the system blows up. But it hasn't and Steam has a long enough track record (10+ years) where there is confidence in the platform. That's why I've posted that I don't pay much mind in the 'what if' scenarios. Neither do most others in anything they buy.
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PookaMustard: It is working as it is intended until the system blows up on you. They act like the system will never blow up just because they paid money. That is where they are wrong.
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synfresh: You know what, you are correct. It is working as intended until the system blows up. But it hasn't and Steam has a long enough track record (10+ years) where there is confidence in the platform. That's why I've posted that I don't pay much mind in the 'what if' scenarios. Neither do most others in anything they buy.
and the bottom line is that in the end everything blows up. The car I buy today will break in 10 years, the music CD i bought last year will be scratched at some point, my new trousers will become ripped. There is some kind of strange logic here that game medium you buy today should last forever. gOg will fold at some point, and then I need to have somewhere else to store my games. Yes, as with everything, games can be preserved - but use and preservation are two different subjects. Even Steam games can be preserved, but most people don't want - they want to play a game.
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PookaMustard: It is working as it is intended until the system blows up on you. They act like the system will never blow up just because they paid money. That is where they are wrong.
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synfresh: You know what, you are correct. It is working as intended until the system blows up. But it hasn't and Steam has a long enough track record (10+ years) where there is confidence in the platform. That's why I've posted that I don't pay much mind in the 'what if' scenarios. Neither do most others in anything they buy.
I know i might sound repettitive but.. battleforge was on steam! And it was as great looking fun to play game as it was a cash cow. Untill it blew up. :D
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synfresh: You know what, you are correct. It is working as intended until the system blows up. But it hasn't and Steam has a long enough track record (10+ years) where there is confidence in the platform. That's why I've posted that I don't pay much mind in the 'what if' scenarios. Neither do most others in anything they buy.
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amok: and the bottom line is that in the end everything blows up. The car I buy today will break in 10 years, the music CD i bought last year will be scratched at some point, my new trousers will become ripped. There is some kind of strange logic here that game medium you buy today should last forever. gOg will fold at some point, and then I need to have somewhere else to store my games. Yes, as with everything, games can be preserved - but use and preservation are two different subjects. Even Steam games can be preserved, but most people don't want - they want to play a game.
The best story I can equate to this is when I bought a 3DO way back when. I spent a ton of money on that system and games. Well at some point that system died and guess what, all those games are basically worthless now. I'm not losing sleep over it.
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synfresh: You know what, you are correct. It is working as intended until the system blows up. But it hasn't and Steam has a long enough track record (10+ years) where there is confidence in the platform. That's why I've posted that I don't pay much mind in the 'what if' scenarios. Neither do most others in anything they buy.
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ambient_orange: I know i might sound repettitive but.. battleforge was on steam! And it was as great looking fun to play game as it was a cash cow. Untill it blew up. :D
It's also not any different than any other online game. How many people blew money on Warhammer Online or Star Wars Galaxies? The fact that it was on Steam is irrelevant. It didn't shut down because of Steam.
Post edited November 27, 2015 by synfresh
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gamesfreak64: good?
maybe, i dont think every gameowner is able to just crack a protection, so they will have to use 3rd parties, with the risk of getting malware , virus , or at least adware on the pc.
So they can easily say go ahead crack it, but its not that simple.
There was a movie character who had a nice slogan, i think it was Stallone in Cobra
something like this or so: just replace Crime by DRM
*shrugs*

At least now, they won't risk getting fined on top of all that. That's good news. Far from the best ones, but still good.
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gamesfreak64: good?
maybe, i dont think every gameowner is able to just crack a protection, so they will have to use 3rd parties, with the risk of getting malware , virus , or at least adware on the pc.
So they can easily say go ahead crack it, but its not that simple.
There was a movie character who had a nice slogan, i think it was Stallone in Cobra
something like this or so: just replace Crime by DRM
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P1na: *shrugs*

At least now, they won't risk getting fined on top of all that. That's good news. Far from the best ones, but still good.
True, at least they dont have to fear officials to be coming knocking on the doors.