If this is true I can't run the Star Wars games, but I do, so what gives?

I think you misunderstood me, I was referring to Galaxy allowing a more streamlined installation process, for people that are less experienced with computers. I didn't mean that Galaxy is needed to run the games.

In a way yes, but at the same time I feel it is unfortunate people don't necessarily learn how to install a Windows application you download from the internet, or don't know where their files end up in their system which they download with a web browser. Not talking specifically about the person who started this thread, but generally.

I guess they are the kind of people who in the future will just get all their applications from the Windows Store, and don't even know you can get applications also outside of it, nor know how to do it. They are the people who can't even understand how to install Steam or Galaxy on their system, unless they can do it through the Windows Store.

That actually raises a question, is the Steam client available through the Windows Store in Windows 10?

If it is I can't find it, though at the moment, I'm not on my home computer.

People today grow up with store-using cell phones as their primary computing device (whether it's Google's Play Store, Apple's App Store, Aptoide, Samsung Store, or any other store), they're already used to one-click downlad&installs. File management is pretty much a thing of the past for personal devices, and only being kept barely working for legacy workflows in corporate environments.

I don't like it, but that's what my pessimistic view tells me.

And no, Steam is not available through the Windows store. But they don't need to manage files for that either, it's almost as simple to go to steampowered.com, clicking "Install Steam" and then allowing the file to run when the prompt comes up, not knowing -or caring- where the file goes, or whether it's saved at all (as several people around here do - and become very surprised when their download folder takes up half their hard drive space with documents called "Homework.docx", "Homework (1).docx", "Homework (2).docx" and so on because they didn't just open the same document thirty times, they downloaded the same sixty-odd files thirty times each).

Pretty much that, and those are the kind of people who come to me crying how their phone is not working right. And it is not working right because the filesystem is already out of space (which means their existing applications can't even update themselves anymore, no space to download updates), and it is my duty to free up some space there, also by copying their older camera videos and photos to a safe place (e.g. to a PC via an USB cable)..

The way the phones and new Windows alienates users from the file system etc. is good as long as it works, but when something needs to be fixed or needs optimizing, everything is just more complicated than what it used to be. You know, like people complaining how their small 128GB SSD drive is full all the time, as they don't know how to move and install stuff to a bigger D: (HDD) drive instead. It is rocket science, I tell you.

Heck, I still remember when I tried to figure out where the heck the Minecraft user-created worlds were hidden, so that I could copy them to a new PC. They were hidden somewhere under Roaming\Appdata\.minecraft\ or somesuch which was hidden by default from the users, because reasons I guess.

Because users generally shouldn't mess around in AppData unless they know what they're doing and/or enjoy losing data and settings.
It's even better when the damned thing doesn't have enough space to install system updates - WHEN IT HAS JUST BEEN FACTORY RESET and thus doesn't yet have any user data or user-installed applications.

I mean, it's great that the manufacturer releases updates for the device at all (even if late), but they could have done a 15-minute test and seen if it actually could install before pushing it.

Yeah, like backing up and transferring all user-created Minecraft worlds to another computer, highly classified material... :D Of course maybe this was more to Minecraft developer, why did he feel it was necessary to hide them like that?

I guess I am so old-skool that I'd prefer if games still just save saves to e.g.. a "saves" folder within the game installation folder, at least I always know where they are. I know Windows is supposed to offer a central place for settings and saves, but that seems to have changed over the years, so in the end they are all over the place.

Windows Vista and 7 offered a specific folder for game saves (I don't know about later, as I haven't used those privately, and so haven't bothered with games there, and I don't remember XP), but barely any game developer bothered using it and instead decided to store theirs anywhere they pleased (make a folder directly in the user's home folder, make a folder in Documents, make folders in AppData, try to use the probably-protected install folder, or figure out something else entirely), making an even worse mess than in the 90's when they just used the game's install folder (or possibly a subfolder thereof) due to a non-existing permissions system.

In contrast to you, I don't think that user data should mix with installed applications - applications should be accessible to all users (save, perhaps, certain administrative ones only accessible to administrators), and users, in general, should not be allowed to risk messing up system-wide folders and files. I started with Macintosh System 7 and then Mac OS 8 -where the fake security was even worse than Windows' at the time- and though I have fond memories of it, and prefer watching over my own files rather than letting the applications and OS do everything as becomes more and more common, I also see useful things with separating user data and system-wide applications as well as separating different users' data from each other so that one does not accidentally (or intentionally) delete another's.

The save folder got ditched. And even when it was there few games used the folder. Most games save in (My) Documents or the game's installed directory. Very, few use anything else.

(My is in brackets as that what versions prior to 7 called it.)

Also XP does have different User folders in Documents and Settings. 9x never did, but XP it was a new feature.

I know that XP was the first Windows for home users with had multiple account support, I used 98 (SE) and 2000 before that (the latter not being intended for home use - either way, it did not have a save game folder). The NT line always had multiple-user support, as it was build for networked multi-user environments to begin with.

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We may have gone off topic.

We have indeed. Sorry if you knew that from you're post you made it sound like you weren't sure if XP did.

Anyway OP did you get it sorted?

Hi all!
yes i got it sorted with timmpu helping, really appreciate it. go to first thread page one of last posts? like he said I'm confused thought downloading an installing was all in one step. comes from likes of galaxy and steam? which is "one of" exact reasons why i don't like them. want to know, manage an understand it all myself. I'm getting there built my own pc which is easy until i run into a problem an have to troubleshoot. to be fair? didnt know or touch any of this until 4 yrs ago. taught myself from google an reading until i found forums.
no worrys about off topics with me i enjoy learning from you all talking, sorry for late response.
I see most of you all are from way off in other countrys!