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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That is true and I don't disagree with it at all.

But on the other hand, DRM-free also carries it's own set of risks too.

For example, say you backed up your games to a HDD, which works fine at the time when you backed them up, but later on, that HDD fails. And say the DRM-free store that you bought your games form also goes out of business by the time that happens.

In that situation, the customer will be equally as screwed as is the customer cited in the OP. Whereas if they had their library on a still-in-business DRM-infested store instead, then the hardware failure, combined with the DRM-free store having gone out of business, wouldn't have caused them to lose their games library.

A counter argument could be: "so have multiple backups then," which is true in that they are more secure, but if the customer has a large library, then that will soon start to cost a financial fortune to produce.

So, really there is no such thing as total 100% security for the average person's games library, regardless of whether or not it's DRM-free.
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TomNuke: Very true, my friend. I've pointed that out here before also, but people here ignore truth and reason. Downvote away, kiddies.

So let me guess, this guy had their account deleted to do inactivity? because at some point I got an e-mail from Ubisoft stating that my account was going to be deleted because of long periods of inactivity. My reaction? Don't give a shit, and ignored the e-mail like I ignore all Ubisoft games. So my account is probably deleted also. No one should worry about something like that if you're active, pay attention to your e-mail, or are just not doing things that might get your account locked. I was actually glad Ubisoft deleted them for long term inactivity because it saves me the trouble. I know I'll never buy something from them again, and if I really want to I'll just make another account. Big deal.

But it is sort of a pick your poison kind of deal here when going with DRM-free or DRM. A DRM-free store is at much higher risk of just shutting down. I mean, look at GOG, and the financial troubles they've had over the years. That's never going to go away and it's only going to get worse unless something very unexpected happens. Stores like Steam don't have those same questions about their future, but you have potentially DRM issues to deal with.

If you're willing to ignore titles with Denuvo in them then Steam and it's DRM is relatively benign. And there should be no fear of Steam going anywhere, and those games will be available for you to reinstall as you desire.

GOG you're getting DRM-free games, but the stores existence is always shadowed by a huge question mark. Is it going to be around in the near future? Sure, you can back up all your GOG games, because they're DRM-free (most Steam games are also) but maintaining your own backups is not an ideal situation at all. It's actually more inconvenient than anything else.

Backing up hundreds of GOG games is going to be costly and time consuming. If you want to do it right you'll need at least one backup of your backup. You'll have to ensure that the life of the hardware is maintained. Not fun. The other route is that you could pay for online storage, but again, that means you're going to be paying out of pocket monthly / yearly for that backup.

So is GOG actually better? Maybe, depends on the person. Sure, it's more pro-consumer for being DRM-free, but if the store isn't around because of that then what does it matter? Everything you've bought has now become a headache more than anything else.

You could argue "well, if my GOG library back up fails I can just easily pirate the games again". Okay, sure, but the same could be said for Steam. Every game on Steam, with the exception of some Denuvo titles can be easily pirated also. Steam's DRM is tissue paper and isn't an issue, and most games on Steam are already DRM-free to begin with.

So, again, it's a pick your poison type of deal here. GOG is always going to in an uphill battle, though. DRM-free is already a big strike against them when it comes to their library of titles. They can't exactly just support DRM either, because that would just make them a worse Steam with a sketchy future.

Honestly, I don't even feel comfortable buying on GOG anymore, because I don't think it's ever going to get better. They're not magically going to get big name games. The Japanese game selection is always going to be bad, and I really have doubts about GOG's future.
You are right,
there is a higher chance to lose your gog drm-free games than steam games, the whole store could collapse very quickly

I wonder what the laws permit, I think you can download games you own, I can't see why it would be pirating.

I haven't seen much improvement here. It feels like an old motel/restaurant slowly decaying because owners just take out the renovation money.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That is true and I don't disagree with it at all.

But on the other hand, DRM-free also carries it's own set of risks too.

For example, say you backed up your games to a HDD, which works fine at the time when you backed them up, but later on, that HDD fails. And say the DRM-free store that you bought your games form also goes out of business by the time that happens.

In that situation, the customer will be equally as screwed as is the customer cited in the OP. Whereas if they had their library on a still-in-business DRM-infested store instead, then the hardware failure, combined with the DRM-free store having gone out of business, wouldn't have caused them to lose their games library.

A counter argument could be: "so have multiple backups then," which is true in that they are more secure, but if the customer has a large library, then that will soon start to cost a financial fortune to produce.

So, really there is no such thing as total 100% security for the average person's games library, regardless of whether or not it's DRM-free.
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TomNuke: Very true, my friend. I've pointed that out here before also, but people here ignore truth and reason. Downvote away, kiddies.

So let me guess, this guy had their account deleted to do inactivity? because at some point I got an e-mail from Ubisoft stating that my account was going to be deleted because of long periods of inactivity. My reaction? Don't give a shit, and ignored the e-mail like I ignore all Ubisoft games. So my account is probably deleted also. No one should worry about something like that if you're active, pay attention to your e-mail, or are just not doing things that might get your account locked. I was actually glad Ubisoft deleted them for long term inactivity because it saves me the trouble. I know I'll never buy something from them again, and if I really want to I'll just make another account. Big deal.

But it is sort of a pick your poison kind of deal here when going with DRM-free or DRM. A DRM-free store is at much higher risk of just shutting down. I mean, look at GOG, and the financial troubles they've had over the years. That's never going to go away and it's only going to get worse unless something very unexpected happens. Stores like Steam don't have those same questions about their future, but you have potentially DRM issues to deal with.

If you're willing to ignore titles with Denuvo in them then Steam and it's DRM is relatively benign. And there should be no fear of Steam going anywhere, and those games will be available for you to reinstall as you desire.

GOG you're getting DRM-free games, but the stores existence is always shadowed by a huge question mark. Is it going to be around in the near future? Sure, you can back up all your GOG games, because they're DRM-free (most Steam games are also) but maintaining your own backups is not an ideal situation at all. It's actually more inconvenient than anything else.

Backing up hundreds of GOG games is going to be costly and time consuming. If you want to do it right you'll need at least one backup of your backup. You'll have to ensure that the life of the hardware is maintained. Not fun. The other route is that you could pay for online storage, but again, that means you're going to be paying out of pocket monthly / yearly for that backup.

So is GOG actually better? Maybe, depends on the person. Sure, it's more pro-consumer for being DRM-free, but if the store isn't around because of that then what does it matter? Everything you've bought has now become a headache more than anything else.

You could argue "well, if my GOG library back up fails I can just easily pirate the games again". Okay, sure, but the same could be said for Steam. Every game on Steam, with the exception of some Denuvo titles can be easily pirated also. Steam's DRM is tissue paper and isn't an issue, and most games on Steam are already DRM-free to begin with.

So, again, it's a pick your poison type of deal here. GOG is always going to in an uphill battle, though. DRM-free is already a big strike against them when it comes to their library of titles. They can't exactly just support DRM either, because that would just make them a worse Steam with a sketchy future.

Honestly, I don't even feel comfortable buying on GOG anymore, because I don't think it's ever going to get better. They're not magically going to get big name games. The Japanese game selection is always going to be bad, and I really have doubts about GOG's future.
At least VALVe does not delete your Steam account if you do not log in for ten years or longer.

My main Steam account from 2004 I did not log in since 2011 and logged in this year still had everything on it.

I hope CD Projekt RED does not delete our gog.com accounts if we decide not to log in for ten years or something like that.
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TomNuke: "GOG you're getting DRM-free games, but the stores existence is always shadowed by a huge question mark. Is it going to be around in the near future? Sure, you can back up all your GOG games, because they're DRM-free (most Steam games are also) but maintaining your own backups is not an ideal situation at all. It's actually more inconvenient than anything else."
"Most" Steam games aren't DRM-Free. This list has about 3k titles on it (out of about 30k) or 10% of the store, and many of those titles on the list have serious issues (eg, Anna, Avadon, Borderlands Pre Sequel, Depnoia Complete Journey, Victor Vran, etc are only DRM-Free on Linux not Windows, many titles like Cognition, Detention, Goat Simulator, Ittle Dew, etc, you can't save the game without the client running (meaning despite being able to reach the main menu without crashing actual Steam-less playability is severely broken) and these should really all be removed from the list). Others still like Dex, Oxenfee, Wuppo, etc, used to be on the list but were removed due to DRM that was added in a patch.

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TomNuke: "Backing up hundreds of GOG games is going to be costly and time consuming. If you want to do it right you'll need at least one backup of your backup. You'll have to ensure that the life of the hardware is maintained. Not fun. The other route is that you could pay for online storage, but again, that means you're going to be paying out of pocket monthly / yearly for that backup."
Backing up your stuff also isn't some insurmountable task people portray it to be. Many games here are older ones which are 1. Very small in size (you could fit 1,900x Deus Ex's onto the smallest 1TB backup drive) and 2. Rarely get updated. The largest ones of all (modern +300GB AAA's) tend to be the same ones that are DRM'd. There's literally only a handful +100GB sized games on GOG (eg, Cyberpunk 2077) with the bulk of the 4,000x sized catalogue being 100-1000x smaller.

And many people need backup drives anyway for personal data, photo's, etc. "The only copy of my will / important medical / legal documents / irreplaceable family photos, etc, is in the cloud" is literally no backup at all, so in the real world people buy backup drives anyway. So the only difference for many people is simply buying bigger drives which isn't that expensive as the GB/$ factor actually scales much better the higher you go (1TB 2.5" drive = £40, 4TB = £75). If someone doesn't want to backup their stuff personally out of laziness or apathy or whatever, that's entirely up to them, but let's not over-exaggerate "it's too difficult / expensive" excuses in order to overly shill for Steam on the back of "Well you could pirate Steam games, so that's my DRM-Free competition to GOG". If you want to resort to that, why even bother creating a Steam account either?...
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TomNuke: Very true, my friend. I've pointed that out here before also, but people here ignore truth and reason. Downvote away, kiddies.

So let me guess, this guy had their account deleted to do inactivity? because at some point I got an e-mail from Ubisoft stating that my account was going to be deleted because of long periods of inactivity. My reaction? Don't give a shit, and ignored the e-mail like I ignore all Ubisoft games. So my account is probably deleted also. No one should worry about something like that if you're active, pay attention to your e-mail, or are just not doing things that might get your account locked. I was actually glad Ubisoft deleted them for long term inactivity because it saves me the trouble. I know I'll never buy something from them again, and if I really want to I'll just make another account. Big deal.

But it is sort of a pick your poison kind of deal here when going with DRM-free or DRM. A DRM-free store is at much higher risk of just shutting down. I mean, look at GOG, and the financial troubles they've had over the years. That's never going to go away and it's only going to get worse unless something very unexpected happens. Stores like Steam don't have those same questions about their future, but you have potentially DRM issues to deal with.

If you're willing to ignore titles with Denuvo in them then Steam and it's DRM is relatively benign. And there should be no fear of Steam going anywhere, and those games will be available for you to reinstall as you desire.

GOG you're getting DRM-free games, but the stores existence is always shadowed by a huge question mark. Is it going to be around in the near future? Sure, you can back up all your GOG games, because they're DRM-free (most Steam games are also) but maintaining your own backups is not an ideal situation at all. It's actually more inconvenient than anything else.

Backing up hundreds of GOG games is going to be costly and time consuming. If you want to do it right you'll need at least one backup of your backup. You'll have to ensure that the life of the hardware is maintained. Not fun. The other route is that you could pay for online storage, but again, that means you're going to be paying out of pocket monthly / yearly for that backup.

So is GOG actually better? Maybe, depends on the person. Sure, it's more pro-consumer for being DRM-free, but if the store isn't around because of that then what does it matter? Everything you've bought has now become a headache more than anything else.

You could argue "well, if my GOG library back up fails I can just easily pirate the games again". Okay, sure, but the same could be said for Steam. Every game on Steam, with the exception of some Denuvo titles can be easily pirated also. Steam's DRM is tissue paper and isn't an issue, and most games on Steam are already DRM-free to begin with.

So, again, it's a pick your poison type of deal here. GOG is always going to in an uphill battle, though. DRM-free is already a big strike against them when it comes to their library of titles. They can't exactly just support DRM either, because that would just make them a worse Steam with a sketchy future.

Honestly, I don't even feel comfortable buying on GOG anymore, because I don't think it's ever going to get better. They're not magically going to get big name games. The Japanese game selection is always going to be bad, and I really have doubts about GOG's future.
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Orkhepaj: You are right,
there is a higher chance to lose your gog drm-free games than steam games, the whole store could collapse very quickly

I wonder what the laws permit, I think you can download games you own, I can't see why it would be pirating.

I haven't seen much improvement here. It feels like an old motel/restaurant slowly decaying because owners just take out the renovation money.
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TomNuke: …snip
I use freefilesync, this can evaluate the contents of two drive and show the differences/copy just what is needed. It makes keeping backups a lot easier and less time consuming.
Another important step is to be organised from the start, it’s easy to start organised than try to redo later on.
Once organised you can script a lot of it.
My backups I tend to leave running overnight so really takes up very little time. Organising them collection software though I have a whole thread on that!
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TomNuke: …snip
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nightcraw1er.488: I use freefilesync, this can evaluate the contents of two drive and show the differences/copy just what is needed. It makes keeping backups a lot easier and less time consuming.
Another important step is to be organised from the start, it’s easy to start organised than try to redo later on.
Once organised you can script a lot of it.
My backups I tend to leave running overnight so really takes up very little time. Organising them collection software though I have a whole thread on that!
yeah my backup is organized too , backup is automated , download only need to start the script