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Spectre: Are there any better backup options than blurays or HDDs. Tape drives look like they're aimed at business but at least they won't break as easily as HDDs if they get a knock.
Well, there is the option of using SSDs for backup. I don't know how viable it is to use it, but I note that cheaper SSDs are likely to work fine for this purpose; you don't need a fast drive with a large amount of write cycles. (Remember: Even a cheap SSD likely has more write cycles than a rewriteable optical disk, which in turn has far more than a write-once optical disk.)
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Spectre: Are there any better backup options than blurays or HDDs. Tape drives look like they're aimed at business but at least they won't break as easily as HDDs if they get a knock.
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dtgreene: Well, there is the option of using SSDs for backup. I don't know how viable it is to use it, but I note that cheaper SSDs are likely to work fine for this purpose; you don't need a fast drive with a large amount of write cycles. (Remember: Even a cheap SSD likely has more write cycles than a rewriteable optical disk, which in turn has far more than a write-once optical disk.)
I think for things like documents, save games, source code, photos, videos or any other type of "work product", SSD is actually probably a good route to go. Some of the smaller capacity SSD drives are probably enough to back up this type of data and you could get multiple drives to alternate backups.

While they do have a lifetime to them, it's really a lot more than people think. Unless I had calculated wrong, the lifetime of an SSD drive even under heavy write loads still ended up being longer than several HDD drives I've had over time with moving parts. There's nothing worse than hearing the grind of a head that crashed and is scraping all your bits off the platter.

I would probably dedicate two drives to alternate backing up my data and a third drive kept for backing up digital downloads used to install software (and not games, some of them are way too huge!)
Post edited April 17, 2016 by JDelekto
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nightcraw1er.488: It is part of the process. The raid array allows a useable set of disks that can be restored if 1 or possibly more depending on setup fails. So that is one level of cover. Of course you need timepoint backups, onsite and offsite.
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dtgreene: RAID does not protect against disasters like "rm #-rf /" (without the # sign that I added for safety) or malicious code deleting important files; the RAID controller/software will happily propogate the deletion to the other drives in the array.
Yes, but that is not its purpose in a solution. Each part of the process is designed for a specific task. Raid (not including 0) is there to cover incidents where one or more hdds break in the array, it is a backup for that type of incident and no other. Then in addition to that you would have external timepoint backups in case the whole system goes down.
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nightcraw1er.488: Optical discs are ok. They can be scratched, warped, broken etc. And they have a pretty low storage capacity. For instance how many blue rays would it take to store 4tb? And is it workable when things update fairly regularly?
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vsr: Why you store them yourself? Discs are not ok for the job of course. But for photos, documents they are better than hdds, in my opinion. I've written above why.

If you're so paranoid about it, you can download your collection file by file, compute theirs MD5/SHA{1,256,512} and delete them afterwards. In dire times you can download all the files from torrents (or any other source you'll manage to find) and make sure they are legit.
I do download everything from all the sources, but not just games, but saves, mods, help files etc. Whilst it may be possible to illegally download files, that isn't an ideal option, nor why would I want to if I have already gone through the process of downloading and checking? We are talking many hundreds of files. As for discs, well over the years I have used most things from 5.25 floppies to ssd, and currently best band for buck is hdd.
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Spectre: Are there any better backup options than blurays or HDDs. Tape drives look like they're aimed at business but at least they won't break as easily as HDDs if they get a knock.
Tapes have their benefits, but they are moving out. Hdd's have come right down in price, and will again this year with the improvements to ssd's. Tapes don't have the random access that hdds have, plus they can take up more space, and hardware is an additional cost - you would need to buy the device.
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JDelekto: Just out of curiosity, I noticed that people had mentioned "cloud backups". I remember reading something about some of the hard drive companies considering to offer secure cloud-backup storage, paid monthly like a utility in order to keep a backup of your drives (even as they change) offsite in the cloud.

Now, I was a little skeptical at first, but for a few years now I've been using DropBox for several years now, and to be honest, it's been pretty solid. Often I've used it to get to documents, videos, e-books, installation software, etc. not only from my phone, tablet and PCs, but I've used it when travelling on family's computers which had nothing more than a Web browser. Many years before that, I had to burn my data on CD and eventually thumb drives if I wanted to take it with me.

Now, while a different beast altogether than hard-drive backup, I think if they offered several terabytes of space for a reasonable monthly fee, provided extremely good encryption for data protection, a Web-based file-system to access and download data on demand, as well as some type of background restoration if you need to get a new drive, I would probably go for it.

Recovering from data loss (if you can recover things that weren't 'work product'), is typically many days of effort. Even more if your applications are digital downloads rather than physical media.
Sorry, trust issue there. I don't trust any online anything. Also, much like renting anything, at the end you don't own any of it, so its money down the drain in my view. At least I can use the hdds for other purposes at the end.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by nightcraw1er.488
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nightcraw1er.488: Sorry, trust issue there. I don't trust any online anything. Also, much like renting anything, at the end you don't own any of it, so its money down the drain in my view. At least I can use the hdds for other purposes at the end.
Well, there may be trust issues; however, again, I think encryption can be beneficial in that regard. Sure, while the space may be rented and you don't own it, it doesn't stop one from downloading a final hard copy before they decide to stop renting. You still retain the property (unlike most other rental examples).
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Spectre: Are there any better backup options than blurays or HDDs. Tape drives look like they're aimed at business but at least they won't break as easily as HDDs if they get a knock.
Nothing. Even Google relies on tape media.

However, from time to time messages uppear about revolutionary solutions, like this "memory crystals".
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Spectre: Are there any better backup options than blurays or HDDs. Tape drives look like they're aimed at business but at least they won't break as easily as HDDs if they get a knock.
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vsr: Nothing. Even Google relies on tape media.

However, from time to time messages uppear about revolutionary solutions, like this "memory crystals".
Actually, being able to dope crystalline structures for data storage is not a new idea and has other practical uses; however, for mass storage these days, is not economically feasible; however, for a one-time backup of data, provided you had something to read it, would be an awesome storage container.
Nice timing.


Just lost all the Firefox tabs.
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Lin545: Nice timing.
Just lost all the Firefox tabs.
What? How?
Use Session Manager!
Also, backup your FF folder in Appdata every now and then.
Post edited April 17, 2016 by phaolo
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phaolo: What? Just use Session Manager and backup your FF folder in Appdata.
Plugin fixes a bug*. Yeah. =)

* Lin x64, NX on, Xeon, ECC RAM, no SMART problems.
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phaolo: What? Just use Session Manager and backup your FF folder in Appdata.
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Lin545: Plugin fixes a bug*. Yeah. =)

* Lin x64, NX on, Xeon, ECC RAM, no SMART problems.
Eh?
Btw, that plugin automatically creates various backups of your sessions.
Long are the days when I had to manually fix the file O_o'
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phaolo: Eh?
Btw, that plugin automatically creates various backups of your sessions.
Long are the days when I had to manually fix the file O_o'
Yeah, I installed it the half a hour after the incident.
No idea how it happened, no session restore file, nothing.
In case any of you have the same problems with a HDD, I found that Recuva:
https://www.piriform.com/recuva

Worked ok, it pulled back a fair few of the smaller files. Some of the large ones had just been destroyed - probably why the drive capacity dropped from 4tb to 2tb, and I lost a few scans from recent weeks. Still the software was pretty easy, leave it running then restore what you can.

Anyways, I sure you guys are all backing up now :o)

Not mentioning DotEmu going down...