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Posted December 28, 2015
Can I multiquote to improve readability?

Also, small remark - I don't use a lot of stuff because I don't need it. Especially regarding video DRM, there are various paths. Some streaming providers just assign you a network socket and the stream is not encrypted, where HDCP requires complex, downwards incompatible handshaking among all devices. Its a black box, obviously Linux supports it very well - inside OEM blackbox. This is not "classic" Linux. The very same goes to Blueray software players on Windows - they are all proprietary and closed. But not everyone is happy to replace his huge plasma TV because HDCP demands it and it can be legally stripped - see "HD Fury Integral".
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TrueDosGamer: Interesting stuff. If there was one graphics card I'd want Linux developers to focus on is the GTX 750 drivers and make it perform better than nVidia's Windows driver.
Nvidia is 3d mafia, their cards and drivers are proprietary.
Their driver supports cards THEY consider it should support.
Their driver supports features THEY consider it should support.
It runs at speeds THEY consider should be.

Linux developers have no influence over this and Nvidia will sue anyone messing with their IP.

On the contrary, open nvidia driver - nouveau - is not official. Its done by chinese wall reverse engineering and uses standard kernel interfaces, sharing them with AMD (official open) driver "radeon".

Its historically different with AMD/ATI.
At start ATI had only one closed driver and it was bad. There was similar to nouveau open reverse-engineer attempt, but it was aborted because when ATI was purchased by AMD, AMD started "opensource driver strategy" and started clean rewrite of open driver + open stack.

AMD has two drivers - they are both official: closed (earlier called "fglrx", now just "catalyst") and open ("radeon").
Earlier there was another open amd driver - "radeonhd", but it was halted and features went into "radeon"

The closed driver was historically ONLY for workstations and ONLY for specific distributions and ONLY for "FirePro"-class cards. It broke very easily on any "non-professional" applications or different software versions. Also, if it encountered incorrect commands in OpenGL, it aborted, where Nvidia OpenGL implementation was (and is) to "treat errors as warnings".
But then AMD has rewritten it to adapt to two-way strategy. It now includes very few "patented" technologies and its goal is to provide fast support to very new cards, which are not yet covered by open driver.

The open driver was historically created after ATI was purchased by AMD and its funded, developed by AMD itself, using documentation AMD itself exposes. When its development time taken into account, its a pretty damn good driver.
Today its used as a standard driver for cards that are about 1 year old and it performs remarkably good.

Intel was fully absent.
Then they appeared and started to develop open driver.
This is the only driver available from Intel (open one). On Windows, the driver is closed and has some patented code and secret "shortcuts". The 3D performance on Linux is fairly adequate.

I have no idea how the drivers go with HDCP, I know that most HDCP on Android is done as "aftermarket" patching - in userspace (not in kernel) by vendor. So its secretive and "black box". This is DRM.
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TrueDosGamer: Has Linux created their own Blu-ray software player? The only video player that has the most support is VideoLAN. Unfortunately it still hasn't achieved full Blu-ray playback support yet probably because they don't want to get a cease and desist letter so most work is done as an ad-don rather than integrated.
Well, if you remember DVD, most of even TODAY available software DVD players use libdecss, which is DVD DRM crack library.
So, its like Nvidia. Linux or its devs have no control over this technology, its not free.
I heard they tried to crack it, but its not about copy protection but more about menus.
VLC is available for Linux, since its Qt. Also, "mpv" and other players based on either Gstreamer, (+)ffmpeg/libav or Mplayer/mplayer2/mpv.
Personally, I buy DVD for license, put it in the corner and then download ripped video.
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TrueDosGamer: Is there any Linux flavor that uses NTFS or FAT32 as a file system instead of their own?
Yes. Technically - any flavor of Linux, just make sure these drivers are present in kernel or initramfs.
But you will be missing two important things:
- CASE sensitivity of files and folders, and
- "execute" attribute

Linux can read and write to FAT32 and NTFS, and Windows can read and write to ext2/3.
The file system is actually irrelevant once you have FS driver loaded in kernel or from userspace (FUSE).
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TrueDosGamer: Windows Mobile is junk. What they should have done was try to get Windows XP embedded to run on cell phones. There was one that was made but not from Microsoft and was still a bit big for its time. Being able to use your phone and regular Windows apps would have helped their cause instead of a completely independent OS for mobile phones which can't use desktop apps.
The same thing MS did to competition in PC market, was done to them in smartphone market.
They tried to rush, so they raided, destroyed and took over Nokia, but they failed in timing.
Like MS, both Apple and Google shiped their "OS" for free with hardware and devices at discount rate/with bonuses.
Once Google and Apple took large marketshare, the market was closed, contracts made - devs are only interested in large market and its over.
MS tries a long-run strategy now,... similar to Linux on desktop.
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TrueDosGamer: I think a major issue was power consumption. They should have devoted research based on the Pentium M to try to cut the power consumption from 7 watts to 0.7 towards 0.07 watts and they might have been onto something for mobile / desktop combined into one. I would have loved a XP phone that used 1/100 the energy and be able to use all the desktop apps on it.
XP's display server is really bad for flashy effects. They pushed into the "managed" code - which is basically what Java on Android does, but ultimately they failed in timing. Which is good (if you ask me) for consumer wallet.
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TrueDosGamer: Mobile market would have been ripe for Linux too but too many distros and not enough cohesion and Redhat has no interest in the mobile market which would have been their way into the masses.
Look up what Nokia did.
Maemo, Qt etc.
MS killed it in "burning platforms" =)
But, then came the surprise. It turned out you can't kill open technology by killing the author/copyrighter, because anyone can take it further or fork.
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TrueDosGamer: Now it's just iOS vs Android as the two head honchos.
You can root the Android, that's a "feature". There is plenty of stuff going on.
Unfortunately, most of "hardware" drivers are blackboxes, because of either greed for money or greed for control.
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: You mean "Titan Deluxe with 3 DLCs"?

Doesn't the current title give enough info to skip if not interested in the game or the price?

What part of the title exactly drew you to look into the topic?
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Smannesman: No, I mean Titanfall.
I thought it was perhaps Risen 3: Titan Lords or perhaps the remake of Titan the puzzle game or Titan Souls or Planetary Annihilation: TITANS or Titan Attacks! or Revenge of the Titans or Titan Quest.
I see the error now in the title leaving out the Fall portion. It wasn't intentional.

Unfortunately I don't see any way to edit the title on this forum unless you know of a way?

I can only edit the body of the text.

If this feature isn't available on GOG forums then I can't do nothing about it.

Perhaps this is something GOG needs to add as a feature so any title changes can be changed by the author.
Posted December 29, 2015
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Maxvorstadt: Well, I looked into this thread because I hoped for news about Titan Quest or, better yet, Titan Quest 2. :-)
Typo left out the Fall by accident. It wasn't some ploy to attract people who are Titan Quest fans.

I saw a good deal on 2 year old game at 50% off even the lowest price on Origin. Anything $5 or under is not a bad price for a rather new game with all 3 DLC. It also includes a free digital copy of Kung Fu Panda which is a nice bonus I just found out and claimed on Amazon which also normally costs more than $5.

I play games on DOS and Windows and other computer systems that no longer exist today.

As for computers, theC64, Atari ST, Amiga 500, Apple ][, and Mac Classic are just a few. There's a longer list but I won't bore you with that. There is also a list of older gaming consoles I own. I used to test games at Sega and at Sony one being Final Fantasy 7. There is also a list of arcade cabinets type games I played on by sadly most of these have gone the way of the dinosaurs when the console market took off.

So simple answer is no the username doesn't quite equate my gaming range or platform nor should there any suspicions if you're assuming I only play DOS games. If you are not allowed to post games that aren't on purchasable on GOG then I can see your issue with calling it spam.

But if someone makes a post that has nothing to do with games or computers related like a deal on sweaters, shoes, how to get reverse mortgage, or make money flipping homes then I would call that spam. It's strange how people have an odd idea what spam is. Check your mailbox or inbox that's what real spam is from real solicitors. I don't gain any profit or have any association with Origin or Amazon.

But the games that seriously got me into computer were bootable and DOS based games which were on IBM and Apple ][, et cetera so hence my username. I'm not going to make a 30 plus character user name to fully explain myself or my interests as I felt this was short and sufficient enough.

However if you have no interest in any of these computers or platforms I've listed then this is before your time so you won't understand why I chose this username. And as you know GOG no longer cares about older games as their focus as they're now geared toward newer titles. There is still a ton of titles we will never see on here that should be here. It still baffles me why the original Jordan Mechner's Prince of Persia 1 and 2 for DOS or even Karateka isn't on here yet the new Prince of Persia 2008 is on GOG.
Posted December 29, 2015
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Vitek: Can't speak for him but what made me check the thread was that I had no idea what the Titan game is and hoped to find out and possibly learn of some new and interesting game to play. Only then I learnt it's very uniteresting offer (for me) of known game.
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Smannesman: Me too, I just felt like also pointing out that there are many games that use that word in their title.
It's also interesting that his defense was to post the incorrect title again :P
I'm glad it wasn't a game with the word War, Star, or Space in the title. I would have been swamped with more hate mail. ;)

It's obvious it was a typo. It's a game I haven't actually played but bought for a huge backlog of other games to be played.

As for Titan as a game I could only find this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28game%29

So if someone was hoping for this game the link would have brought them to the correct conclusion.

Going from Titan to Titan Quest is a bit of a stretch.

Next time someone puts War in the title people will come in droves with pitchforks in hand.

I'm going to stay away from those gaming titles.

Although I would like to see Warcraft 1 and 2 brought to GOG for network play on GOG Galaxy.
Post edited December 29, 2015 by TrueDosGamer
Posted December 29, 2015
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Lin545: Can I multiquote to improve readability?

Also, small remark - I don't use a lot of stuff because I don't need it. Especially regarding video DRM, there are various paths. Some streaming providers just assign you a network socket and the stream is not encrypted, where HDCP requires complex, downwards incompatible handshaking among all devices. Its a black box, obviously Linux supports it very well - inside OEM blackbox. This is not "classic" Linux. The very same goes to Blueray software players on Windows - they are all proprietary and closed. But not everyone is happy to replace his huge plasma TV because HDCP demands it and it can be legally stripped - see "HD Fury Integral".
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TrueDosGamer: Interesting stuff. If there was one graphics card I'd want Linux developers to focus on is the GTX 750 drivers and make it perform better than nVidia's Windows driver.
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Lin545: Nvidia is 3d mafia, their cards and drivers are proprietary.
Their driver supports cards THEY consider it should support.
Their driver supports features THEY consider it should support.
It runs at speeds THEY consider should be.

Linux developers have no influence over this and Nvidia will sue anyone messing with their IP.

On the contrary, open nvidia driver - nouveau - is not official. Its done by chinese wall reverse engineering and uses standard kernel interfaces, sharing them with AMD (official open) driver "radeon".

Its historically different with AMD/ATI.
At start ATI had only one closed driver and it was bad. There was similar to nouveau open reverse-engineer attempt, but it was aborted because when ATI was purchased by AMD, AMD started "opensource driver strategy" and started clean rewrite of open driver + open stack.

AMD has two drivers - they are both official: closed (earlier called "fglrx", now just "catalyst") and open ("radeon").
Earlier there was another open amd driver - "radeonhd", but it was halted and features went into "radeon"

The closed driver was historically ONLY for workstations and ONLY for specific distributions and ONLY for "FirePro"-class cards. It broke very easily on any "non-professional" applications or different software versions. Also, if it encountered incorrect commands in OpenGL, it aborted, where Nvidia OpenGL implementation was (and is) to "treat errors as warnings".
But then AMD has rewritten it to adapt to two-way strategy. It now includes very few "patented" technologies and its goal is to provide fast support to very new cards, which are not yet covered by open driver.

The open driver was historically created after ATI was purchased by AMD and its funded, developed by AMD itself, using documentation AMD itself exposes. When its development time taken into account, its a pretty damn good driver.
Today its used as a standard driver for cards that are about 1 year old and it performs remarkably good.

Intel was fully absent.
Then they appeared and started to develop open driver.
This is the only driver available from Intel (open one). On Windows, the driver is closed and has some patented code and secret "shortcuts". The 3D performance on Linux is fairly adequate.

I have no idea how the drivers go with HDCP, I know that most HDCP on Android is done as "aftermarket" patching - in userspace (not in kernel) by vendor. So its secretive and "black box". This is DRM.
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TrueDosGamer: Has Linux created their own Blu-ray software player? The only video player that has the most support is VideoLAN. Unfortunately it still hasn't achieved full Blu-ray playback support yet probably because they don't want to get a cease and desist letter so most work is done as an ad-don rather than integrated.
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Lin545: Well, if you remember DVD, most of even TODAY available software DVD players use libdecss, which is DVD DRM crack library.
So, its like Nvidia. Linux or its devs have no control over this technology, its not free.
I heard they tried to crack it, but its not about copy protection but more about menus.
VLC is available for Linux, since its Qt. Also, "mpv" and other players based on either Gstreamer, (+)ffmpeg/libav or Mplayer/mplayer2/mpv.
Personally, I buy DVD for license, put it in the corner and then download ripped video.
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TrueDosGamer: Is there any Linux flavor that uses NTFS or FAT32 as a file system instead of their own?
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Lin545: Yes. Technically - any flavor of Linux, just make sure these drivers are present in kernel or initramfs.
But you will be missing two important things:
- CASE sensitivity of files and folders, and
- "execute" attribute

Linux can read and write to FAT32 and NTFS, and Windows can read and write to ext2/3.
The file system is actually irrelevant once you have FS driver loaded in kernel or from userspace (FUSE).
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TrueDosGamer: Windows Mobile is junk. What they should have done was try to get Windows XP embedded to run on cell phones. There was one that was made but not from Microsoft and was still a bit big for its time. Being able to use your phone and regular Windows apps would have helped their cause instead of a completely independent OS for mobile phones which can't use desktop apps.
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Lin545: The same thing MS did to competition in PC market, was done to them in smartphone market.
They tried to rush, so they raided, destroyed and took over Nokia, but they failed in timing.
Like MS, both Apple and Google shiped their "OS" for free with hardware and devices at discount rate/with bonuses.
Once Google and Apple took large marketshare, the market was closed, contracts made - devs are only interested in large market and its over.
MS tries a long-run strategy now,... similar to Linux on desktop.
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TrueDosGamer: I think a major issue was power consumption. They should have devoted research based on the Pentium M to try to cut the power consumption from 7 watts to 0.7 towards 0.07 watts and they might have been onto something for mobile / desktop combined into one. I would have loved a XP phone that used 1/100 the energy and be able to use all the desktop apps on it.
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Lin545: XP's display server is really bad for flashy effects. They pushed into the "managed" code - which is basically what Java on Android does, but ultimately they failed in timing. Which is good (if you ask me) for consumer wallet.
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TrueDosGamer: Mobile market would have been ripe for Linux too but too many distros and not enough cohesion and Redhat has no interest in the mobile market which would have been their way into the masses.
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Lin545: Look up what Nokia did.
Maemo, Qt etc.
MS killed it in "burning platforms" =)
But, then came the surprise. It turned out you can't kill open technology by killing the author/copyrighter, because anyone can take it further or fork.
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TrueDosGamer: Now it's just iOS vs Android as the two head honchos.
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Lin545: You can root the Android, that's a "feature". There is plenty of stuff going on.
Unfortunately, most of "hardware" drivers are blackboxes, because of either greed for money or greed for control.
You can multiquote all you want. I haven't mastered that myself. GOG did the multiquoting on my behalf and combined all my responses into one large one.

Personally I prefer a WYSIWYG message forum interface.

HD Fury Integral - I see this is a hardware device.

There is AACS decryption software for Windows so I can get around that issue but the Blu-ray playback software requires the graphics card or in this case Intel iGPU to have the HDCP handshaking written into it which only exists on their Vista driver. The discrete graphics cards from AMD and nVidia have their drivers include it so even XP can use it.

VLC can play back certain Blu-ray files once AACS encryption is removed but you lose the Disc Menu interface and are just playing the actual .m2ts file. However if a Blu-ray movie decides to split it into multiple video files then there's the problem of watching the movie because it is split into multiple files which have no sense of order.

Yes I was looking for a Linux flavor that uses native FAT32 or NTFS from the start for installation. From what you wrote it sounds like legally there is no version out there that can do it until after installation? Curious why hasn't someone like Redhat or other distro made a deal with Microsoft to license NTFS natively into their OS. exFAT would be an alternative to FAT32 due to the updated file size and partition size limitations. But as for encryption I'm not really requiring that. A lot of times if somehow the hard drive is corrupted and also encrypted it is going to be tougher to restore the data off. NTFS is still good because it can handle larger file sizes and you can disable any permissions so any computer can access the files.

Most likely Windows will never grab a large market share with Mobile. I think another issue would be their DRM which makes Android more attractive. However even Android is starting to clamp down and becoming more like Apple by removing microSD card slots and sealing off the battery compartment with the latest Galaxy Note 5. Eventually they will be mirror images of each other and it will be a choice of interface. Samsung made phones with bigger screens when Apple didn't. Now Apples tries to make phones with big screens and Samsung tries to seal off the back so you can't insert a SD card or swap the internal battery like Apple.
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: Interesting stuff. If there was one graphics card I'd want Linux developers to focus on is the GTX 750 drivers and make it perform better than nVidia's Windows driver.
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rtcvb32: This is assuming there's information of how to program and use the hardware to begin with. A lot of companies like to keep the proprietary formats and API's private therefore preventing people from writing drivers for it.
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TrueDosGamer: Is there any Linux flavor that uses NTFS or FAT32 as a file system instead of their own?
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rtcvb32: In theory you could run Linux on NTFS or FAT32 (assuming it's built into the kernel and not a module), however with the total lack of security or full compatibility with NTFS it seems unlikely for use.

Besides both FAT and NTFS both belong to Microsoft, I'd think using the EXT filesystem by default is a good choice to avoid lawsuits.

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Maxvorstadt: Hm, a very suspicious thread here. Someone who calls himself "True Dos Gamer" makes an advertisement for a DRMed game on GoG. Maybe a spam thread? Should I mark it as spam?
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rtcvb32: I'm tempted, but if he keeps it limited to these 2 threads (Titanfall and this one) then I'll leave him be.
This is true and obvious but I was looking for a Linux that had native FAT32 and NTFS built into it so you could install onto FAT32 or NTFS partition from the start and not a Linux fs.

Also a reason why Linux is screwed out of the boat. If the manufacturers won't let you in on the loop it's going make 3rd party support that much harder and thus makes Linux a poorer choice for support in this case. Only the manufacturer providing Linux support is the only saving grace. You can tweak the OS all you want but if you can't use the hardware you really want it defeats the purpose. I'd use Linux over Windows if Linux had full access to the hardware and make it perform better than on Windows. Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see the day that will happen.

Windows 10 probably is another nail in the coffin for more Linux adopters as now most of the newer games are going to be using DX12.0 The Windows 8 debacle might have been their last chance to steal some desktop users who didn't upgrade to Windows 7. Most of the Windows versions in my opinion has gotten worse since Vista. Windows 7 only gained USB 3.0 support which could have been put into Vista quite easily. Until Windows 10 did they update to DX 12.0. Other than that a more bloated OS and a less efficient user interface. I'll only install W10 if I need to try out DX 12.0. But for regular usage for my desktop needs no thanks.

Maybe you can shed light on your definition of spam because it seems a bit skewed and constrictive. You can read my thoughts on what I consider spam in my earlier post.
Posted December 29, 2015
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rtcvb32: This is the second posting i've seen of this. Any more duplicates and i'm marking them as spam...

other listing: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/titanfall/post28
The first was a regular posting response to a topic that I found that existed.

This one is a stand alone topic I wanted to share.

I did not post two or more topics of the same title.
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: Also a reason why Linux is screwed out of the boat. If the manufacturers won't let you in on the loop it's going make 3rd party support that much harder and thus makes Linux a poorer choice for support in this case. Only the manufacturer providing Linux support is the only saving grace. You can tweak the OS all you want but if you can't use the hardware you really want it defeats the purpose.
Because we all know every third party and second party developer wants to pay $10k per driver to sign them so they are accepted by windows.

Wrong!

Driver support for legacy devices have been strong and getting stronger every year. If hardware developers won't support their hardware with either open specs or good drivers, a good number of people just won't use them. There's sites and locations with compatibility lists for what laptops, computers, server systems, etc that have full linux driver support. Just because you won't be running a nVidia Titan X doesn't mean anything. Also due to licensing costs Linux is quite often a preferred OS to run servers, to install onto phones (android), routers, entertainment systems, probably printers and many more devices than i could probably name.
Post edited December 29, 2015 by rtcvb32
Posted December 29, 2015
I wouldn't buy it even for a dollar. It's an always online game with no real single player nor LAN support.
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: Also a reason why Linux is screwed out of the boat. If the manufacturers won't let you in on the loop it's going make 3rd party support that much harder and thus makes Linux a poorer choice for support in this case. Only the manufacturer providing Linux support is the only saving grace. You can tweak the OS all you want but if you can't use the hardware you really want it defeats the purpose.
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rtcvb32: Because we all know every third party and second party developer wants to pay $10k per driver to sign them so they are accepted by windows.

Wrong!

Driver support for legacy devices have been strong and getting stronger every year. If hardware developers won't support their hardware with either open specs or good drivers, a good number of people just won't use them. There's sites and locations with compatibility lists for what laptops, computers, server systems, etc that have full linux driver support. Just because you won't be running a nVidia Titan X doesn't mean anything. Also due to licensing costs Linux is quite often a preferred OS to run servers, to install onto phones (android), routers, entertainment systems, probably printers and many more devices than i could probably name.
Care to elaborate on driver support for legacy devices have been strong?

What sort of legacy devices are you talking about?

I'm referring to 3rd party Linux drivers for video hardware that only has Windows drivers.

For example if nVidia didn't release drivers for their graphics card but only Windows, then how will someone use that graphics card on their Linux OS?

Are you trying to say nVidia would pay some 3rd party to develop a Linux driver for their graphics card rather than do it themselves? Or given the option nVidia would rather let some 3rd party write the drivers and pay them $10K for it?

If you're just running Linux for servers you aren't going to need any graphics card that is top of the line and could use some older graphics card or iGPU that did have official Linux drivers made by the manufacturer.

But if you're saying it is possible for some 3rd party without any knowledge shared from the manufacturer on how the video card works is going to make a stable driver for just $10K that performs better than one written by the manufacturer for Windows I'd like to see that happen.

Most 3rd party people aren't going to be paid when embarking on some project like this and just want to make the graphics card work on Linux because the manufacturer didn't release a proper Linux driver for their graphics card. Then would most likely wait and hope the manufacturer releases a Linux driver than some 3rd party because they would get support from the manufacturer.

I don't know how feasible that would be before the 3rd party would finish this driver in a time frame a consumer would wait. But let's say it took 3 years to finish creating a stable equivalent Linux driver for a graphics card from scratch and the 3rd party people are not getting paid but just doing it for the Linux community. Maybe by then consumers of the graphics card would have got tired waiting for a proper Linux graphics driver to be released and just used the Windows driver instead. Are you then suggesting once the Linux driver was finally released that they now switch over from Windows to Linux? By then they probably would have moved onto a newer graphics card.


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blotunga: I wouldn't buy it even for a dollar. It's an always online game with no real single player nor LAN support.
Most games don't have LAN support anymore which sucks and are mostly online on gaming servers.

I prefer DRM free games that have dial up modem and LAN support or online peer to peer connection.

Most of this is due to piracy and companies trying to control this by limiting what you can do with the game.

But most of these games we both want don't exist any more.

Do you have a list of these LAN support games of recently in the last 5 maybe up to 10 years ago?

The last one I can recall that had LAN support and online network play was Starcraft Broodwar and no DRM unless you call a CD tray check one. But most of these CDs from back then can be virtual imaged so it thinks it's in the CD tray.
Post edited December 29, 2015 by TrueDosGamer
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: Are you trying to say nVidia would pay some 3rd party to develop a Linux driver for their graphics card rather than do it themselves? Or given the option nVidia would rather let some 3rd party write the drivers and pay them $10K for it?
No. I'm saying nVidia would have to pay Microsoft $10k for Microsoft to sign the drivers so people can use the drivers on windows. (Maybe it was $10k, maybe it was $300, i don't know the exact numbers)

But i doubt you really care. There's no point talking/debating this. Your post seems far more poking a nest to get a reaction than actually caring.
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer:
I have no idea, i still play Quake 3 and UT99 etc. Point is, for me it should have at least some sort of single player with a story or playable in LAN. Otherwise i don't care about the game.
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: Are you trying to say nVidia would pay some 3rd party to develop a Linux driver for their graphics card rather than do it themselves? Or given the option nVidia would rather let some 3rd party write the drivers and pay them $10K for it?
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rtcvb32: No. I'm saying nVidia would have to pay Microsoft $10k for Microsoft to sign the drivers so people can use the drivers on windows. (Maybe it was $10k, maybe it was $300, i don't know the exact numbers)

But i doubt you really care. There's no point talking/debating this. Your post seems far more poking a nest to get a reaction than actually caring.
Nest? What nest are you referring? You were the one claiming I was spamming so I asked what exactly was your definition of spam.

As for Microsoft signing the drivers I have no clue about the exact cost I thought you were claiming that it would only cost a company $10K to get them to write Linux drivers that performed better than the Windows counterpart. But I don't think in order to create a driver you always have to have it signed by Microsoft. I've seen a ton of unsigned drivers that I have installed on Windows. So if it's not a requirement to have it MS signed I think most companies would go that route. If MS is charging companies to sign it it's probably because they are doing some extra testing to make sure the driver would make the Windows system unstable and then have to offer tech support when that Microsoft signed driver causes problems.

Installing an unsigned Windows driver is probably the same on Linux which you assume it is stable and take the risk. I don't know if Redhat has their own signed drivers or charge people to sign them like Microsoft. If anything I wouldn't be against some hard core Linux programmers to make drivers for my graphics cards. I think maybe in your head you are assuming something that isn't there when say I am poking the nest.

If anything I'd rather see them produce a Linux graphics driver that does what the Windows version does without missing any features like 3D or whatever crap these games today support to equate DirectX. If Linux can run faster than Windows which I've seen happen in the past on 386 systems then I'd like to see how much more boost I'd get using it then say Win 7. The only problem is the games being supported on Linux. I don't know if some ballsy company in the future would make only exclusive Linux games to force people to use it. That's the strategy some of these consoles employ by making exclusive titles.

But will it happen probably not. But if you are pro Linux then yes you will probably take my stance as a negative. Do I think Windows is the best hell no but at the moment it's the best of what I have at hand to use. They've gone downhill since 2000 Pro. I like efficient code and keeping the OS streamlined and compact without the eye candy and without the DRM built into the OS or needing to connect to Microsoft to register your copy. DOS was probably the fastest. It took 1 second or less to boot into the OS on hard drives. Once Windows came around you were waiting for minutes to get to the desktop screen.

Most people only care about the games and applications and what to run them on. As far as compatibility Windows usually takes the cake on the most support so unless there is way for Linux to run Windows code inside it to make it 100% compatible then it will harder to get people to switch over. I saw the golden era of computing so it wasn't just either MAC or Windows or Linux of today. I hated Windows when it was introduced because it meant the end of the command line interface and only a select few actually took the time to learn it. But MAC started this GUI trend by copying it from Xerox. Practically any dummy could use a machine now with just a mouse. I even adapted my Unix shell to use only DOS commands at one point with alias.

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blotunga: I have no idea, i still play Quake 3 and UT99 etc. Point is, for me it should have at least some sort of single player with a story or playable in LAN. Otherwise i don't care about the game.
I see your point. You need some story mode to feel any need to be engaged by the characters in the game.

I do have Quake 3 Arena in the tin can. If I remember correctly it included a Linux version in it. I believe ST Elite Force used the same engine because some guy used Quake 3 maps and adapted them to work in EF.

I haven't tried Unreal Tournament. I think the last line of games I enjoyed was Doom 2, I never really got into Doom 3 / Quake 1 probably because the whole 3D aspect. I liked the 2D feel. I didn't enjoy the aiming mouse up and down to target things back then. But once I tried ST EF1 which also had a story campaign and the multiplayer was the bonus I got hooked and started getting used to the 3D aspect.
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Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: Yes I was looking for a Linux flavor that uses native FAT32 or NTFS from the start for installation. From what you wrote it sounds like legally there is no version out there that can do it until after installation? Curious why hasn't someone like Redhat or other distro made a deal with Microsoft to license NTFS natively into their OS. exFAT would be an alternative to FAT32 due to the updated file size and partition size limitations. But as for encryption I'm not really requiring that. A lot of times if somehow the hard drive is corrupted and also encrypted it is going to be tougher to restore the data off. NTFS is still good because it can handle larger file sizes and you can disable any permissions so any computer can access the files.

Most likely Windows will never grab a large market share with Mobile. I think another issue would be their DRM which makes Android more attractive. However even Android is starting to clamp down and becoming more like Apple by removing microSD card slots and sealing off the battery compartment with the latest Galaxy Note 5. Eventually they will be mirror images of each other and it will be a choice of interface. Samsung made phones with bigger screens when Apple didn't. Now Apples tries to make phones with big screens and Samsung tries to seal off the back so you can't insert a SD card or swap the internal battery like Apple.
The libbluray (would be like "bluray.dll" if compiled for windows) is exactly for handling menus and further metadata stuff.

All decryption is either made into being illegal by breaking patents, or is legal - and a blackbox, as part of the driver, OS etc (technically - a "blob") it resides in kernel which is bad. On Android I hear its implemented in userspace (in contrast to privileged OS kernel space), but only the part which supplies the data to hardware - with hardware doing the black-box magic. I am not a big fan of any DRM due to reason of lock-down to media or to company, so I never followed the bluray or hdcp development, sorry.

FAT32 is not a problem and works good. NTFS requires some licenses, but there is a company which specifically works with NTFS on "non-Windows", I think its Tuxera. Except loosing pretty critical features mentioned in previous paragraph, NTFS brings no advantages and quite a lot of disadvantages. Ext can journal both data and metadata, where NTFS only metadata. NTFS fragments pretty badly and its defragmenting is very subpar - windows defrag api leaves a lot holes, perfect defragmentation takes a lot of time, makes no sense and is not available anymore. Linux currently leads towards f2fs on mobile/flash, btrfs and zfs for data, and ext or xfs for generic use.
The distro's I know, which run off FAT32/NTFS were actually running de-compressed image with native filesystem, stored on earlier mentioned filesystems.
Also having NTFS brings a good conflict with Windows, because later loves to hibernate on shutdown and leave FS in inconsistent state.

Its actually not hard to re-solder the li-ion battery. Just work quick and don't overheat. =)
Posted December 29, 2015
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TrueDosGamer: This is true and obvious but I was looking for a Linux that had native FAT32 and NTFS built into it so you could install onto FAT32 or NTFS partition from the start and not a Linux fs.
There were FAT32 and NTFS patent problems. Recently there were exFAT patent problems. There is really no advantage in them. NTFS supports quicker writes on empty filesystem, but fragments very badly.
Buy a dedicated drive and use native filesystem. If you are not going to, quit wasting time please.

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TrueDosGamer: Also a reason why Linux is screwed out of the boat. If the manufacturers won't let you in on the loop it's going make 3rd party support that much harder and thus makes Linux a poorer choice for support in this case. Only the manufacturer providing Linux support is the only saving grace. You can tweak the OS all you want but if you can't use the hardware you really want it defeats the purpose. I'd use Linux over Windows if Linux had full access to the hardware and make it perform better than on Windows. Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see the day that will happen.
Please don't post generalized nonsense.

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TrueDosGamer: Windows 10 probably is another nail in the coffin for more Linux adopters as now most of the newer games are going to be using DX12.0 The Windows 8 debacle might have been their last chance to steal some desktop users who didn't upgrade to Windows 7. Most of the Windows versions in my opinion has gotten worse since Vista. Windows 7 only gained USB 3.0 support which could have been put into Vista quite easily. Until Windows 10 did they update to DX 12.0. Other than that a more bloated OS and a less efficient user interface. I'll only install W10 if I need to try out DX 12.0. But for regular usage for my desktop needs no thanks.
DX12 is feature-wise same as OpenGL4.5.
Mantle API is available for Linux.
SDL and winelib are also available. Linux has very efficient 3D renderpipe, becomes modern display server soon, has efficient sound server, has efficient network stack, has efficient and broad filesystem support. Combines them with advantages of openness and flexibility. One can attach any interface to it - can run software even on almost pure hardware with 1-2 applications and display server in memory.
I still don't use USB3, because I have eSata. It takes several years until new tech stabilizes, and I am not big fan of data corruption or segmentation fails. Windows has the advantage of out-of-kernel drivers, but they too must be reviewed and tested, which for Linux happens in kernel development (all-in-one).
Post edited December 29, 2015 by Lin545
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