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Looks to me that the OP went through all the appropriate channels, even going so far as contacting Ubisoft at customer service's recommendation. Seems the OP did it right.

What baffles me is the way certain people think it necessary to reflexively attack him for his post. What a poor welcoming committee. And some wonder why there aren't so many new users on these forums...
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RWarehall: And some wonder why there aren't so many new users on these forums...
or so little old users.

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Potzato: Sorry for you OP.
I really dislike when I waste my time in a similar manner for the most stupid reasons (because of lazy/incompetent people)

Edit : Another thing I hate, is when I share an experience an the first reaction comes from a foul mouth. For awareness.
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zeroxxx: Being blunt doesn't mean foul.

If you're stupid and get called for it, you deserve it.
I raised this because it's not the first time I see you being randomly rude.
You may find many reasons for doing this, but come on : you are both videogames consummers, goglodytes, he is in a pinch, he's new and a perfect stranger to you , you are on a nice (albeit decrepit) forum and yet you feel the need to insult him ?
If your life is making you that miserable, let me stop you and tell you something : videogames and internet are not the road to happiness.
/2¢



[move on people, nothing to see here, the polniceness is on the case]
Post edited August 30, 2016 by Potzato
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Potzato: or so little old users.

I raised this because it's not the first time I see you being randomly rude.
You may find many reasons for doing this, but come on : you are both videogames consummers, goglodytes, he is in a pinch, he's new and a perfect stranger to you , you are on a nice (albeit decrepit) forum and yet you feel the need to insult him ?
If your life is making you that miserable, let me stop you and tell you something : videogames and internet are not the road to happiness.
/2¢

[move on people, nothing to see here, the polniceness is on the case]
And I see no reason to stop my way of talking (or writing).

I'm all for friendliness, but only when people talk with their logic first. This topic at hand (first post) simply didn't use logic at all. Full stop.

If that's all you want to say, then we have no further things to discuss.
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Vainamoinen: Common decency, human rights + GOG forum code of conduct beg to differ
Like GOG has forum code to begin with. Being racist = free. Harassing people = free. etc etc.

This forum has no rules at all.
Post edited August 30, 2016 by zeroxxx
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zeroxxx: I'm all for friendliness, but only when people talk with their logic first. This topic at hand (first post) simply didn't use logic at all. Full stop.
There you go again. The OP used logic fine, you seem to be the one lacking it.
He bought game, it didn't work.
He asked support for help for a key.
He checked the forums for help.
He contacted the developer for help.
As the refund window was about to expire, he asked for preferably a working game, and if not, then a refund while he still could.
He received just a refund as they fixed the game and then only on the base game, not the DLC.

They could have told him the problem was fixed and left it be. They didn't.
They could have refunded both the game and DLC. They didn't.
They could have found a way to give him the game back even after the refund due to their problem. They didn't.

The OP reads fine, he reacted fine and logically. He did everything one can expect from any consumer. The result left a lot to be desired.

You are the one who seems to illogically claim that all this is okay due to "automation" or what not. You are the one seemingly claiming he was unreasonable with his request.
You are the one making no sense and being rather impolite about it.

Heck, for once in a blue moon, we have a complaint thread where the OP was diligent and reasonable and he still gets harassed with negativity...
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zeroxxx: This forum has no rules at all.
No, this forum has rules.

2. What are the “house rules” / Code of Conduct for posting on the website?

We want GOG.com to be a fun and safe place, where you can discuss and review your favorite games, help fellow posters with your knowledge and get help or tips if you're ever stuck in any game. We believe that common courtesy and respect for others is all one needs, but to make things more clear and sort out any doubts, we've created the following set of guidelines that build on the GOG.com Terms of Use. Please note that these apply to forums, comments, user reviews as well as any other content that you can post on GOG.com.

Be polite and treat others just like you want them to treat you. Everyone should feel comfortable and therefore any language or content that is harassing, intimidating, threatening, discriminating, obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or offensive in any other way will not be tolerated. This also includes links to such content;

— Search before you post. Asking a question that has been answered like 10 times in the past means you're lazy;

— Stay on topic. This is especially important inside the “question / problem topics”, as they are created for the sole purpose of helping other community members. Non-constructive and off-topic posts can ruin such threads instantly;

— Never post any advertisements. This includes links to other commercial items, unless it directly answers a user's question;

— Don't spam or troll. Posting in topics or threads for the sole purpose of flooding and causing unrest on the forums, “bumping” existing topics or creating forum petitions won't be tolerated;

— Keep within the law - submitting any materials intended to commit or promote illegal acts will get you a ban. Also, don't post any content that's not your work or to which you don't have a license.

Remember that the ability to post on the website is a privilege and not a right. If a user is found ignoring or repeatedly violating the rules stated above and/or the website's Terms of Use, depending upon severity, he/she will lose an adequate amount of reputation points, and:

— be given a warning from a moderator or GOG.com employee, or
— be temporary banned from the GOG.com forums and/or website for a “cooldown period”, or
— be permanently banned from the GOG.com forums and/or website.
It's just that GOG doesn't give a shit in enforcing them.

You went pretty apeshit on the OP, but I'd rather guess that this post was some kind of "last straw" for you and something entirely else, possibly in your personal life, irked you much more.

So I've no real beef with you.

I will, however, report ciomalau for his avatar every other day until GOG does their fucking job.
Post edited August 30, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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mechmouse: I'm fully behind the OP here.

He bought a game, what he wanted, but it didn't work.
He gave Steam Support plenty of time to fix the the issue, but as we know Steam support is "Three guys that are most on Gabe's shit list, supporting several million customers".

So the issue wasn't being fixed, and the OP took the most sensible route. Get a refund.

Steam Support finally fix the initial issue, so he can play the game he wanted. Its absolutely a sensible thing to say cancel the refund, since the reason behind the refund is no longer valid.
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Pheace: *If* this was on Steam, then why are you still saying Steam support was sitting on it's ass? Those keys need to come from Ubisoft, it's their game. Surely you're on the side of blaming devs if patches don't arrive in a timely manner on GOG? This is pretty much the same thing.

Then he took a refund and he got one.

Ubisoft comes through and finally hands in the keys but it's too late, OP already refunded with Steam. His money was returned already.

Is it sensible to say cancel the refund? Sure, if it can still be cancelled, which it can, after he requests it but before they process it. It was processed already so what do you expect from them?
I don't think you understand, or you didn't read my post. Steam referred me to Ubisoft, then Ubisoft referred me back to Steam.

But the way Steam's support system works, you cannot open a ticket for certain things. If you say you have X issue with the game, and Steam says the publisher should be the one addressing that, then you can't open a ticket. Steam won't let you.

But really this was all about 1) Not delivering a product people bought, and 2) Not communicating at all.

So this wasn't just me, it was a lot of users -- and if Steam had replied to us, or just put a sticky on the board and said, "Sorry guys, it'll take a week to get your keys" then fine. At least we know someone is aware of the issue and is taking care of it.

The problem is that a week, then almost 2 weeks go by, and we heard nothing from Steam, so I'm thinking I'm gonna get stuck with a game I can't play.

Anyone who has used Steam knows that happens -- Steam will sell you multiplayer-only games that have had their servers taken down and are no longer supported, so they're literally selling you a game you cannot play, and they don't care.

Bottom line - This is a case where even minimal communication from Steam would have solved the issue and not frustrated all the people who bought the game. And @mechmouse is right -- with good customer service, you try to accommodate the customer, especially if a screw-up by your company is the reason the customer has a problem in the first place. It would cost them nothing to re-enable my game and give me a key, and it would have kept me as a happy customer.

But they didn't do that, and since then I haven't purchased a game from Steam, and I sent a certified letter to their corporate HQ. A little decency in customer service is not too much to ask.
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RWarehall: Looks to me that the OP went through all the appropriate channels, even going so far as contacting Ubisoft at customer service's recommendation. Seems the OP did it right.

What baffles me is the way certain people think it necessary to reflexively attack him for his post. What a poor welcoming committee. And some wonder why there aren't so many new users on these forums...
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say.

This was about customer service and the lack of any communication from Steam. (BTW I did not initially mention Steam because I wasn't sure if GOG's rules allowed it. Lots of sites do not allow users to mention competitors.)
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RWarehall: Looks to me that the OP went through all the appropriate channels, even going so far as contacting Ubisoft at customer service's recommendation. Seems the OP did it right.

What baffles me is the way certain people think it necessary to reflexively attack him for his post. What a poor welcoming committee. And some wonder why there aren't so many new users on these forums...
Thank you RWarehall. And no worries about zeroxxx, I see the majority of this community seems to be friendly and I appreciate that.
Post edited September 12, 2016 by I2epresent
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FIGHT FIGHT! I love seeing bitches fight:)
Post edited September 12, 2016 by Tauto
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I2epresent: I don't think you understand, or you didn't read my post. Steam referred me to Ubisoft, then Ubisoft referred me back to Steam.

But the way Steam's support system works, you cannot open a ticket for certain things. If you say you have X issue with the game, and Steam says the publisher should be the one addressing that, then you can't open a ticket. Steam won't let you.
There is always a contact support button. If you didn't find it is one thing but it is there.

But really this was all about 1) Not delivering a product people bought, and 2) Not communicating at all.

So this wasn't just me, it was a lot of users -- and if Steam had replied to us, or just put a sticky on the board and said, "Sorry guys, it'll take a week to get your keys" then fine. At least we know someone is aware of the issue and is taking care of it.

The problem is that a week, then almost 2 weeks go by, and we heard nothing from Steam, so I'm thinking I'm gonna get stuck with a game I can't play.
Understandable. I agree communication is not their best thing, and it could have helped. Then again, I'd say the issue of Ubisoft keys being out (again) is a more known issue than the thing you're mentioning after this that everyone who has used steam knows happens.

Anyone who has used Steam knows that happens -- Steam will sell you multiplayer-only games that have had their servers taken down and are no longer supported, so they're literally selling you a game you cannot play, and they don't care.
This is unfamiliar to me, which game was this?

Bottom line - This is a case where even minimal communication from Steam would have solved the issue and not frustrated all the people who bought the game. And @mechmouse is right -- with good customer service, you try to accommodate the customer, especially if a screw-up by your company is the reason the customer has a problem in the first place. It would cost them nothing to re-enable my game and give me a key, and it would have kept me as a happy customer.
Again, the problem/screwup is with Ubisoft in your example. Bad communication doesn't change that. Steam wouldn't have been able to give you a timeframe since only Ubisoft would've known that. If anything Ubisoft support shouldn't have shipped you back off to Steam again.

None of that dismisses that Steam could have been more communicative, and again that's a problem I recognize. I don't feel they're wrong in not giving you a free copy of the game (if that's what you meant), and I do feel there's not a lot they can do if they've already sent you back your money. The refund system 'basically' has this situation covered, except in this case it was extremely unfortunate timing for the situation to resolve itself right as the refund period ran out and you had already made use of it.

Maybe they could implement a coupon system for support alone so you could've repurchased it for the sale price as an exception, though there'd quickly be misconceptions about the feature probably and potential abuse.
Post edited September 12, 2016 by Pheace
Stick with gog. While not perfect by any means, at least you end up with DRM free games.

Personally own a number of games on Steam, but have chosen to not install their service any longer.

There is no perfect company. Find the one or two that treats you with the greatest respect while still offering a good selection of titles and some fine sales.

My vote has been for DRM free gaming for years now from various sources, but mainly gog.

* * * * * I do wonder how gog stacks up to Steam at this point. Meaning, how much larger is Steam then gog in terms of sales and customer base?
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HunchBluntley: Someone help me crack his impenetrable code -- what PC game service is he talking about??? I tried Googling "Those Other Guys", but there's nothing conclusive! I'm dying of antici
...pation!
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HunchBluntley: Someone help me crack his impenetrable code -- what PC game service is he talking about??? I tried Googling "Those Other Guys", but there's nothing conclusive! I'm dying of antici
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HunchBluntley:
SAY IT... SAY IT!

...pation!
Hey! what happened to the fight?