It's simple. If you say something about a country that people think you've lived or live in they think you speak from personal experience and know what you are talking about. Otherwise people often think you're prejudiced or even racist.

It's the same with for example cars.

(Drives a Audi.)
-BMW sucks.
-Freaking BMW hater!

(Drives a BMW.)
-BMW sucks.
-Really? Interesting.

Maybe you should read the actual stuff and not just blindly follow your neo-liberal preachers?

What he actually wrote was, that individuals, despite seeking only their own gain, will still prefer to support domestic industry instead of foreign ones. They are led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of their intention.

Obviously he was totally wrong, because individuals will ship jobs overseas in an instant if it saves them a dollar. This is hard to face for neoliberals so they don't like to read the actual book.

That is what I'm thinking.

I just thought I'd add, I don't care about this whatsoever. But I'm sure he's getting overpaid.

Overpaid people getting overpaid for not doing much. Fabulous. Incredibly interesting.

It is quite ok, if you consider yourself to be a crook too. :)

It is a bit like those GOG forum members who keep complaining about the shitty "GOG community". I always assume they are talking about themselves, at least the description fits quite often.

Greek industry will turn their focus on making hats for everyone now. That will get them some serious money.
They might also consider selling handpainted guns.

Respect. +1. And if i could, i would have given it a +2.

Of course I myself am a crook, or cheater, or whatever word feels more appropriate. Although i have never stolen, laundered or had anything shady to do with money, i exploit other people and/or their circumstances, so i can benefit myself in other aspects totally unrelated to money... I was forced to evolve and become one, or else i would have sunk to the depths long ago.

YES, i AM a CROOK (too). But i never said anything bad about ANY gog member. I hate to repeat myself, but here, i like all people (and strangely, this is a first for me).

The "neo" in the "liberal" term is an adjective or a pejorative conjugation? Rhetoric question. I don't care about the answer since that term is stupid it self to lost time arguing about it.

From your answer I can only think you are trying hard to take out of context what I did said, going against me as a person. Well, at least you take further participation since you did go against the idea too; the second is the only way to have a logical discussion so I thank you for not staying on the first.



You are right about the "going overseas to save a dollar" part, but what differences does it makes? Is it wrong? Chinese people are having an actual benefit from formers industries; Smith's theory still work in practice; can't say the same about Marx's ones, just google about my country.

Besides, what was the cause to make a business go overseas? Do you think that move to another country is free, that the enterprise does not have to make BIG investments there? They have to do BIG investments to go overseas, but if that is cheaper than support a Social State then let's go! They don't have an actual obligation to support a failed State.

I am going to take the best example, as always, USA. The country was found by liberal people (In fact, two venezuelans participate/agree there: Francisco De Miranda and Simón Bolívar, respectively, kinda proud of that), the country still have their original Constitution just with a few amendment, meaning his spirit still alive. So at Nike's / Converse / Adidas / Intel / etc began they work using USA citizens to make their products, no need to go overseas.
BUT WAIT! There's a "Democrat" wing that wants to convert the country into a Social State, and part by part, step by step they have done that over the years, forcing companies to pay workers same salary, a minimum salary, dental/health care and what ever the politic in turn wants to according to X federal state. So, what the hell, if I were a company CEO I will say let's move to a country were we don't have to do that, or were our currency allows to pay that because have more value than local one. Again, is that wrong? Why? I have an obligation with people? Companies only obligation is to answers for the service / goods they provide if it result flaw in some way or non the way it is intended for. (About that, I totally like Max Payne 3 end hahaha, "americans do know how capitalism works")

So, who is the fault to go overseas, the company or the socialist politician? If your answer is the "company" I will be glad to see why, and please don't tell me that companies are evil and blah blah; give me a original speech since you do read books.

Also, refusing Smith theory makes me think you are from a left wing, aren't you? Common characteristic of left wing's people is to pretend that them and only them have actually read the books; the opposite wings don't read, we just "blindly follow neo-liberal preachers". I guess Milton Friedman's theories applicate into Obama's recuperation plan (2009) was taken from a cereal box. Sarcasm.

To properly succeed they'd need to elect a man named Alexander and learn the fine craft of spear-wielding... and take a crash course on eastern languages and culture practices.

That would be a real world example of what we see in the Total War games. And as the Total War games are exclusively on Steam now, you can see how all of these things come full circle. XD

It is neither stupid nor pejorative, it simply means new liberals, different from the classical ones.

The first is taking stuff out of context and the second is going ad hominem? Wtf? What did I take out of context? I simply corrected your false use of the term invisible hand. And why would I want to go against your person? This is the first time I see you, I have no interest in that. I had, I am getting there.


Difference to what? I simply quoted to you what Adam Smith wrote, and how incorrect it turned out to be, which you agree on.
Marx, no idea?? Not sure what it has to do with Keynes ideas either, thought we are talking about Smith.

Why are you asking me this stuff...

You seem to have some deep ideological issues, I don't care about those, I simply corrected you on an incorrect use of a documented phrase.

You are refusing it, too. You agreed that companies are not in fact guided by an invisible hand to favour domestic investments if they can save a dollar overseas. What does it matter what wing I am on, this fact is wingless.

Dude, what the fuck?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/02/venezuela-usa-corporations-idUSL1N0V91W320150202
and way to be dismissive, you almost look like a politician of ours too

"New liberals"... I thought the "rhetoric" word in the phrase will mean something... I hope we aren't talking different languages.


I seriously don't get how you did lost in a simple sentence. Are you trolling?

In fact, I still don't get why you try to "correct" my A Smith adaptation as it wasn't incorrect. I take the concept at an abstraction point to explain my self; it seems you are being too much literal, at the point that using other words with same meaning will result in "misinterpretation" / "incorrect use". And we are talking about a economic theory, not about a math equation which should be perfect.

Thanks for the correction anyway, but let's over this conversation.

What the fuck? What are you trying to say here? Some companies messed up so shipping jobs overseas is a bad idea?
and way to be facetious, you sound like some braindead news anchor.


Neoliberal generally stands for economic liberalism,exactly what you espouse here, different from classical liberalism, which is about personal freedom of the individual, civil liberties and such, I don't know why you are making such a big deal out of this term.

No, are you? Why are you making such a big deal out of me showing you the actual stuff Adam Smith wrote? Just trying to further your knowledge, I am all about the nurturing.

No, you did not just use the phrase, you also claimed that this is what Adam Smith said and therefore it is the absolute truth that will solve all of Greece's problems.
"Adam Smith has the answer several centuries ago. If you invest, a invisible hand will retribute that investment in goods and services."
Which has absolutely nothing to do with individuals being guided by an invisible hand to invest domestically rather than saving a dollar overseas.