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Posted August 31, 2020
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Fender_178: There must be more to this than what is written in the articles. In my mind banning him from his games is just wrong at this point until I hear more information than what is given in these articles.
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Cadaver747: Check the YouTube video in OP's post the user showed willingly how he cursed towards Steam Tech Support (timestamp 11:40), f@ckface was the most polite addressing from him.
If I would receive such a ticket I would NOT be happy. I think it's normal to be dissatisfied with the service and ban but you can't just use bad language in formal conversation.
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my name is coole catte: Just pointing out the eerie similarities. Kaby is also Russian, or at least posts in Russian here.
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Cadaver747: The OP, Kaby, is Russian, yes. Another user, lcompote I beleive, is Russian. It's eerie because why exactly?
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my name is coole catte: I've used that word precisely once in this thread, in the post you just quoted.
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Cadaver747: That's more than enough.
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my name is coole catte: I'm not sure how you could consider that to be promoting it any more than warning someone about anything else awful could be said to be promoting it.
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Cadaver747: You mentioned that article to be "bad" at least twice, that's how. We get your point that one link is bad, why repeat yourself?
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my name is coole catte: "Ugh, they're promoting a hurricane on TV again!"
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Cadaver747: That's called a force major, a power of nature. Not relevant. Yet funny.
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my name is coole catte: As for my opinion on this case, it's the same as it was when Kaby first started posting on this subject two years ago: they made their bed in two ways.
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Cadaver747: Most probably. As far as I understood Kaby had a huge conflict with Steam Tech. Support, he was quite vocal about his dissatisfaction and got the ultimate ban. Perhaps this is the reason why he felt a compassion for that another user. Or do you have a better justification for that?

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my name is coole catte: 1. Buying games from a store that not only reserves the right to remove your purchases but literally holds the power to do so.
2. Ignoring threats from the wielder of said power.
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Cadaver747: I fully agree.

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my name is coole catte: Best would be not put yourself in that position, but if you choose to do do you probably shouldn't provoke the one with the keys.
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Cadaver747: You lost me here, clarification would be appreciated.
EDIT: Oh, I get it: don't say nasty things about someone with the upper hand (the provider). Well, they thought that they had every right to oppose the "regime", however the way they've chosen is questionable at best.

My thoughts: both parties are to blame. But that user could just try to behave in order to secure his service rights, yet some people just don't like to be restricted so much that would even go break (free) the social standards of communication.
Ok Then. I watched the Video and saw the screenshot of his tirade. Yeah I wouldn't be happy if saw how I was treated in a wall of text. Yeah being unprofessional like that user was being that wouldn't want to make me help him in any way. Maybe his racist tirade that user went on got him banned from posting on the forums and then he contacted tech support with that unprofessional way that he showed in his video @11:40 maybe that was the final nail in the coffin that got his account completely disabled.
Posted August 31, 2020
As far as I understand the user was banned from harassing support, not for 'speech'...

any other sources on this then a well known neo-nazi site and OAG? neither is known for accurate / unbiased / correct reporting
Post edited August 31, 2020 by amok
Posted August 31, 2020
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amok: As far as I understand the user was banned from harassing support, not for 'speech'...

any other sources on this then a well known neo-nazi site and OAG? neither is known for accurate / unbiased / correct reporting
That user himself posted his story here months ago. When peoples actually read his tickets he lost the initial goodwill and support he got rather quickly. But I can't for the life of me find that thread anymore.
Posted August 31, 2020
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amok: any other sources on this then a well known neo-nazi site and OAG? neither is known for accurate / unbiased / correct reporting
That's odd....you're like the third person(fourth maybe?) to bring up one of the links is a "less than nice site".

That said, what I(and anyone searching for truth should, imo) care about more is if the information being reported is accurate.

As to OAG: I'd like you to name ONE news site that isn't biased

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(Edit: Downrated in 20 minutes....whew lad)
Post edited August 31, 2020 by GameRacer
Posted August 31, 2020
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amok: any other sources on this then a well known neo-nazi site and OAG? neither is known for accurate / unbiased / correct reporting
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GameRacer: That's odd....you're like the third person(fourth maybe?) to bring up one of the links is a "less than nice site".

That said, what I(and anyone searching for truth should, imo) care about more is if the information being reported is accurate.

As to OAG: I'd like you to name ONE news site that isn't biased

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(Edit: Downrated in 20 minutes....whew lad)
there is biased, and then there is biased
Posted August 31, 2020
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amok: there is biased, and then there is biased
Most "news" sources online are still biased to some degree, though....which is one of the points I was trying to make.

This is why one should read opposing viewpoints on stories and use that to form a full picture of various topics.

However, if there are limited sources then one has to do the best with what they have.
Post edited August 31, 2020 by GameRacer
Posted August 31, 2020
Actions against 'wrong think'... Tis a terrible thing.

Nevermind some companies are being denied access to banks and credit cards to do business, nevermind patreon banned people for their own differences in opinion, nevermind Kickstarter refusing certain projects but pushing other ones. And in china if your social score gets too low, you can't use the train, leave the country, or even hold a job...

And yet another reason to hate DRM and have your libraries strictly online. They can remove your access at any time, for any reason.
Post edited August 31, 2020 by rtcvb32
Posted August 31, 2020
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rtcvb32: Nevermind some companies are being denied access to banks and credit cards to do business, nevermind patreon banned people for their own differences in opinion, nevermind Kickstarter refusing certain projects but pushing other ones. And in china if your social score gets too low, you can't use the train, leave the country, or even hold a job...
For the most part I think freedom means businesses can tell you to piss off. Like the nutter running your avatar channel for instance, Youtube has the full right to tell that guy to take a flying leap from its platform. However in the case of a service where you already bought a product, and then they take away your access to said product, that is definitely a different kettle of fish.

Though of course Steam would say you're not actually buying any kind of product, which is the whole problem with DRM in the first place.
Post edited August 31, 2020 by StingingVelvet
Posted August 31, 2020
Has anything new happened? The articles and video are months old.
Post edited August 31, 2020 by SpaceMadness
Posted August 31, 2020
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SpaceMadness: Has anything new happened? The articles and videos are months old.
I am guessing the OP just found it recently.

As for updates: I guess one could try contacting the user in question...but beyond that, I don't know if there is any more info on the matter.
Posted September 01, 2020
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StingingVelvet: For the most part I think freedom means businesses can tell you to piss off. <snip> However in the case of a service where you already bought a product, and then they take away your access to said product, that is definitely a different kettle of fish.
Or when content is totally accepted and fine for 10 years, before removing it even though it doesn't violate any rules? Or say Paypal which allows you to transfer and do payments, but god forbid you bought porn or support someone who draws erotica and you get banned AND you don't get any money in your balance.

There's the problem of rules being selectively enforced. No 'extremists' so conservatives saying they don't like Obama/abortions/other being banned on Twitter, but then you have Antifa calling to get together in Portland to do riots.

Or someone saying 'women are not men' or something to that effect and getting banned, while you have other groups calling for the deaths of Christians and they claim no breaking of the TOS...


I do believe a business can tell you to piss off, and you can sue them or not give them your business as appropriate.
But oddly you can't sue while they have 230 protections (similar for vaccine companies but another topic), which they are not following fairly. And when most of the conversations are being held and only one half can speak, i wonder what that means.

I personally call for treating everyone equally; And i arbor censorship.

Honestly i wish things would go back to simplicity and sanity. But we are living in 'interesting times'. Who knows what comes next.
Posted September 01, 2020
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rtcvb32: I personally call for treating everyone equally; And i arbor censorship.
A private entity deciding what to air on their platform isn't censorship. The government telling what to air on their platform is actually much, much closer to censorship in spirit.
Posted September 01, 2020
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rtcvb32: [...]
I personally call for treating everyone equally; And i arbor censorship.
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Obligatory xkcd:

https://xkcd.com/1357/
Posted September 01, 2020
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Cadaver747: The OP, Kaby, is Russian, yes. Another user, lcompote I beleive, is Russian. It's eerie because why exactly?

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Most probably. As far as I understood Kaby had a huge conflict with Steam Tech. Support, he was quite vocal about his dissatisfaction and got the ultimate ban. Perhaps this is the reason why he felt a compassion for that another user. Or do you have a better justification for that?
Both are Russian, both were banned from Steam for the same reason, namely harassing support. Back when Kaby was banned, they demonstrated some pretty obsessive behaviour. Not only in the correspondence they posted here, but they kept posting about it here seemingly expecting us to share their outrage and continually bumping the thread when they didn't get the response they were expecting.
I'm not saying it's the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if such a person would make a new Steam account and go through the motions again.

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Cadaver747: That's more than enough.
You mentioned that article to be "bad" at least twice, that's how. We get your point that one link is bad, why repeat yourself?
That's called a force major, a power of nature. Not relevant. Yet funny.
In my first post I pointed it out it was the daily stormer and in the second one I pointed out what the daily stormer was. That's it.
You still haven't justified the idea that mentioning something is the same thing as promoting it. Things don't disappear just because you don't mention them.
And it doesn't matter that a hurricane is a natural occurrence, the point is that warning about something is not the same thing as promoting it.

I need to remember that I'm not playing mafia with you at the moment so I'm not obliged to reply to everything here. :P
Feel free to PM me though.
Posted September 01, 2020
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StingingVelvet: A private entity deciding what to air on their platform isn't censorship.
It is if the rules aren't being broken.

Sorry, there's only two sides/stances: Publisher or platform.

Publisher - You decide what is on the platform and what isn't, and you are responsible for it
Platform - You allow anyone to put up anything (within the appropriate rules) and you don't take it down.

But Facebook Youtube Twitter have been skirting on 'we're a private entity publisher, but we're also a 230 protected free speech platform', blatently caught on camera undercover where they say they intentionally silence voices they don't like. And also in effect are manipulating elections among other things.

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amok: Obligatory xkcd:
It's also part of free speech not to be silenced at the public square (aka where the main conversations are happening). There's a supreme court ruling something like 1924, where in a town ENTIRELY OWNED by a company and they declared you couldn't protest or state your complaints; it was ruled by the courts that was breaking first amendment. Even 'privately owned' isn't going to work here.

Now if Facebook and Twitter say they are the public square (as they have said to congress) where does that leave you?

But you know what i also agree with you. If there's a public forum that talks about knitting and nothing else, i agree they can shut someone down that talks video games or whatever. But Twitter Facebook and Youtube, are not only about knitting or whatever. They are anything and everything, and their TOS is so vague they will flag you and call anything you say 'hate speech' but never clarify it.
Post edited September 01, 2020 by rtcvb32
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