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Johnathanamz: [..] my five Steam accounts that I have
[..] I have three gog.com accounts
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phaolo: WTF.. why do you even need so many duplicate accounts O_o
Who else is going to support the arguments he makes ;)
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Johnathanamz: MicroSoft is not locking down Windows 10 more like people keep thinking.

MicroSoft is getting rid of the ads in Windows 10 and MicroSoft is also getting rid of the tiles in Windows 10 soon as well.

MicroSoft is releasing all of their video games on Steam not just exclusively to the Windows store anymore.

MicroSoft is open sourcing DirectX 12, which means maybe one day DirectX 12 will be released fully open source and on Linux as well.

There are rumors MicroSoft might open sourcing DirectX 1 up to DirectX 9 in a few years as well and maybe just maybe DirectX 10 as well. DirectX 11 probably in another ten years.
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Truth007: Where did you see that Microsoft is getting rid of the ads in Windows 10 and also getting rid of the tiles in Windows 10 soon?
Here is where it says MicroSoft is getting rid of the ads in Windows 10.

www.thurrott.com/windows/229120/microsoft-is-shutting-down-ad-monetization-for-uwp-apps

Here is where it says MicroSoft is getting rid of the tiles in Windows 10.

www.laptopmag.com/news/rip-windows-10-live-tiles-reportedly-getting-killed-by-microsoft
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timppu: Someone might point out that all the old music and movies are readily available on newer services so you can always experience them again if you want to. True... but games are a different beast. I have lots of older games that are not sold anymore anywhere. Many games are not sold anymore due to e.g. expiring licenses, like e.g. the Lord of the Rings RTS games I have. So in a way that is like e.g. Pink Floyd's Animals album music was not sold anymore anywhere due to some expiring license.
Another problem is product tampering where the games are changed about removing fun features or breaking mods.
I remember throwing away a whole box of games, earlier games such as the command and conquer's, warcrafts ( 2 & 3 ) the first combat mission ( the whole scale made me freeze ) and many others figuring i would not play them anymore and.. i was partly right. Most games on gog remain untouched in my library, outside a couple of minutes and a firm standpoint that i should give them some time, this is as much as a huge library problem as wel as the simple fact that what i enjoyed in the past is something i'm still enjoying in the current with the exeption of course that many new old games have grown both in graphics and in quality of life features not to mention the awkard a.i. improvements here and there
and as someone who is not concerned with DRM since hey " at least they scare of the major generalisme away " from hacking games themselves.... not to mention most see a moral revival when they set of in real life for real, still the whole offer of gog is recommendable, a moral high which says to the bully " I AM NOT SCARED OF YOU " as much as here, while your at it enjoy these games for free, the point being, life is at least two folded, double bladed or a sword of damoclessius in all of its aspects and that is where i stand in this discussion, wielding this little pen pretending i'm slaughtering all that is bad
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Johnathanamz: Do not ask why I have four Steam accounts because I have three gog.com accounts.
Ok, I won't ask why you have four Steam accounts, because you have three gog.com accounts. Why do you have three gog.com accounts though?
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Johnathanamz: Do not ask why I have four Steam accounts because I have three gog.com accounts.
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SirMrFailRomp: Ok, I won't ask why you have four Steam accounts, because you have three gog.com accounts. Why do you have three gog.com accounts though?
Like I said in the past one reason I got so many Steam accounts is because my first Steam account I made in 2004, then two in 2006 because I bought a video game two times and then one came in a physical box with a Steam CD Key and I was like wait why did I make that one, then in 2012 I cannot remember why I made that one.

The three gog.com accounts is one I purchase video games on, this one is just for talking on the forums and the third gog.com account is to purchase a video game a second time if it is a video game that has100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free multiplayer like Red Faction.

Like I said I purchased Counter-Strike: Global Offensive three times on Steam in 2012 before I stopped purchasing video games on Steam.

Also the Steam forums are the only video game related forums where I never talked, I will never talk on the Steam forums ever that place is really bad I love the gog.com forums more and on occasional I have a account on some video game forums where I talk once in a while like Rocket League or a video game named Toxikk if you ever heard of it.
One reason DRM matters to me is preservation. If a (perhaps obscure) game has DRM that is never cracked, the game will be unplayable in the future, even after the copyright expires. There's already games that have been lost, like Dark Sun Online: Crimson Sands and likely other MMOs.

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nightcraw1er.488: Sorry, drm has very little with protecting anything.
Actually, I would say that DRM is the opposite of protection, as it makes preservation more difficult.

Keep in mind that companies go out of buisness (both game developers and the DRM providers), and that not all games are popular enough for someone to bother cracking them. Also, sometimes older games won't run on newer hardware and software. (Early Windows games are one gap in game preservation; they won't run on modern Windows, but DOSBox only emulates DOS and not Windows.) Some may try to get the game to run on newer systems, but DRM can interfere with that.
Post edited July 02, 2020 by dtgreene
I like to play games on my desktop without a third party client opening in the background. The alternative isn't a dealbreaker, but given the choice I will always go with the DRM-free option. It simply benefits me more as a consumer.
Post edited July 02, 2020 by PLASMA97
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Truth007: For the time being something like steam or epic games store isn't going anywhere lets say the next decade or so.
They don't have to "go somewhere" in order to steal all your games whenever they feel like it, simply by banning your account and refusing to let you access them.

And the freedom of DRM-free is an important principle to live by even if the functionality of it (i.e. downloading all of your offline backup installers) is never used in practice.

This poem by Louis Dudek sums up what I mean quite well:

"My two dogs
tied to a tree
by a ten-foot leash
kept whining and howling for an hour
till I let them off.

Now they are lying quietly on the grass
a few feet further from the tree
and they haven’t moved since I let them go.

Freedom may be
only an idea
but it’s a matter of principle
even to a dog."
Post edited July 02, 2020 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
I still occasionally play and enjoy games that came out 30+ years ago. It matters greatly. And even outside of playing and enjoying games oneself is the preservation, history, and criticism of the medium.
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dtgreene: ...but DOSBox only emulates DOS and not Windows....
Pre-98 Windows versions work in DOSBox.
Post edited July 03, 2020 by teceem
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dtgreene: One reason DRM matters to me is preservation. If a (perhaps obscure) game has DRM that is never cracked, the game will be unplayable in the future, even after the copyright expires. There's already games that have been lost, like Dark Sun Online: Crimson Sands and likely other MMOs.

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nightcraw1er.488: Sorry, drm has very little with protecting anything.
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dtgreene: Actually, I would say that DRM is the opposite of protection, as it makes preservation more difficult.

Keep in mind that companies go out of buisness (both game developers and the DRM providers), and that not all games are popular enough for someone to bother cracking them. Also, sometimes older games won't run on newer hardware and software. (Early Windows games are one gap in game preservation; they won't run on modern Windows, but DOSBox only emulates DOS and not Windows.) Some may try to get the game to run on newer systems, but DRM can interfere with that.
Indeed. Thankfully the number of games I own which I currently can’t play is tiny, only one I can think of at the moment is You Are Dead, for which the NoCD crack does not work. Unfortunately most companies care only about the IP and not the product, so archival is not even on their mind, just the “how to make money”. Being businesses that makes sense, though as in other areas certain legislation could improve this. For instance minimising IP ownership - one of the major issues with copyright. In the pharma industry a company is limited to a certain few years where they can make their money before it becomes generic and everyone else can start making it. Same thing should apply to other IP, let’s face nothing is actually new, it’s all based on previous ideas anyways. You can however just sense the likes of adobe, m$! Ea, Ubisoft etc. Quaking with unconcealed rage at the thought of their precious being made available to the masses and themselves having to come up with some new!
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dtgreene: Early Windows games are one gap in game preservation; they won't run on modern Windows, but DOSBox only emulates DOS and not Windows.
It's possible to run Win 3.1 (and even Win95) under DOSBox to play 16-bit games. Example = "Chip's Challenge" under Win 3.1 (16-bit) under DOSBox (32-bit) under Win 7 (64-bit). It's convoluted but it works (and should also work under DOSBox for Linux). As you said though, it's only working here due to lack of DRM.

And another reason for the OP is platform-shifting. 30 years ago I would never have imagined that I'd be able to play LucasArts games on an Android phone / Amazon tablet / Raspberry Pi, or those childhood ZX Spectrum favorites in Spectaculator, and yet here we are doing just that today. And that's only possible due to games either lacking copy protection or it being "light enough" (like a simple offline disc check) that it can be emulated in a source port. Imagine if 90's games were Denuvo'd and hard-coded to pull the decryption key from 90's Internet servers like AOL / Compuserve, they'd be gone for good.
Post edited July 02, 2020 by AB2012