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zeogold: It might actually SAVE the thread. Poor sunshine's letting himself be sucked into it.
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sunshinecorp: Am I? I'm just a humble believer in individualist anarchism. You're right, I shouldn't be on this thread, and I'm leaving now.
No, no, stay, just help us derail.
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toxicTom: Let's put democracy to a test:

Who votes for derailing?
AYE!
Post edited January 31, 2016 by zeogold
One major disadvantage of democracy is the "tyranny of the majority" issue. This can result in discrimination against minorities, and is why constitutions need to include clauses specifically protecting them (like the 14th amendment to the US Constitution).
In theory it's great, but in reality nothing can change the nature of a man (in his strive for wealth).

A small example: do you remember when a deputy was kicked out for doing a bad job by people, who elected him? It never happened in Russia during it's democratic governance (1991-2016), for example. I doubt it ever happened in USA (200 something years).
I've always been a fan of benevolent dictatorships. Great in concept but usually the biggest, meanest and most uncaring person is the one who wins the "King of the Hill" battle. Oh right, that is U.S. democracy!
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dtgreene: One major disadvantage of democracy is the "tyranny of the majority" issue. This can result in discrimination against minorities
On the contrary, that's the major advantage of democracy. Other government forms have no protections for minorities.
In my town we don't worry about any of this crap.

We just hang around and do whatever this guy tells us.
Post edited January 31, 2016 by tinyE
That 300 idiots rule instead of one. That they can commit 300x the number or scandals, only one person would. That they can come up with express laws and put them in effect without civilians ever noticing; laws to cover up their crimes and keep covering their illegal actions, by turning them into seemingly legal ones. That it is technically oppression, censorship and invasion to foreign people's lands, while its name is displayed as "freedom", "people's benefits" and "we represent people". The perfect cover, if you ask me. That they can keep stealing millions and instead of paying up for damage done, to charge everything on the poor and needy, cutting off pensions/salaries, raising taxes, raising VATS. That their media-unleashed propaganda poses off as "freedom of speech".

And many others. Democracy is the perfect form of FASCISM.

Plus, servile servant of globalization and willing bringers of "scum overload" to undo NATIONALITIES and destroy unique cultures, traditions and civilizations.
Post edited January 31, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
And don't forget the right to create lotteries! Where millions of poor people buy tickets in order for a 1 in 300 million chance to become rich.

Or, in other words, the poor people of the country pay the taxes so the rich don't have to.
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tinyE: In my town we don't worry about any of this crap.

We just hang around and do whatever this guy tells us.
Help! They're starting to get serious, man! Quick, do something!
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: That 300 idiots rule instead of one. That they can commit 300x the number or scandals, only one person would. That they can come up with express laws and put them in effect without civilians ever noticing; laws to cover up their crimes and keep covering their illegal actions, by turning them into seemingly legal ones. That it is technically oppression, censorship and invasion to foreign people's lands, while its name is displayed as "freedom", "people's benefits" and "we represent people". The perfect cover, if you ask me. That they can keep stealing millions and instead of paying up for damage done, to charge everything on the poor and needy, cutting off pensions/salaries, raising taxes, raising VATS. That their media-unleashed propaganda poses off as "freedom of speech".

And many others. Democracy is the perfect form of FASCISM.

Plus, servile servant of globalization and willing bringers of "scum overload" to undo NATIONALITIES and destroy unique cultures, traditions and civilizations.
Bradley, you hate minorities, what do you give a shit about unique cultures, traditions, and civilizations? :P

Remember when you asked for a patch to make a game 'less black'? XD That was a doozy! :P
Biggest problem with democracy is that small minorities rule over the majority of population. At least where I live that is a fact for a long time now. Small insignificant political parties are part of every government which they extort in order to push forward their own agenda for which the majority of population has to pay with more and more taxes. Example: Democratic Party of Pensioners of Slovenia that is in every government since 2004 and effectively blocks any law, agreement that could allow the country to get out of the economic crisis. I just wish we would for once have a stable government that wouldn't include extortive minority parties and its intent wouldn't be robbery and corruption.

Unfortunately as long as we have proportional representation system only minorities will rule this country and there is no chance for a stable government.

As for good side - there is none.
Post edited January 31, 2016 by Matruchus
Never mind.
Post edited January 31, 2016 by Gnostic
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Gnostic: Never mind.
I never did.
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noncompliantgame: Well?
Ask the people in North Korea (for an extreme example). Or anyone living under an authoritarian regime anywhere in history. And yes, of course, democracy isn't perfect - but in principle it could be pretty damn good.

[But note that democracy is a political, not an economic system, and has little to do with capitalism.]
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sunshinecorp: So what's great is the false sense of freedom? The misconception that being able to say whatever you want is somehow enough?
Thanks for confirming that you completely missed what I was saying. I'll try to explain it...

The problem isn't democracy, but people's heads. I know a shitload of people running around with iPhones, 100 mbit internet access, flat screen TVs, cars (about 10 years old, but hey) and fully furnished and equipped appartements. Those people don't starve and have a health insurance. They go on vacation every two years and have enough money left to go out on the weekends. But as soon as something breaks (fridge, waching machine, whatever), they start to complain about how fucked up the country is and how the rich become richer and that the poor working class can't afford anything, not realizing how fucking rich they really are (they're just wasting their money on crap they don't really need). And if we really hate our country, we're free to move to any other country of our choice.

Have a look at non-democratic countries. Most people there don't even have the chance to make enough money to live such a live. They can't easily move to another country. And if they start to complain, they'll get thrown into jail (or worse, if they're well known regime critics).

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sunshinecorp: The world is going down the drain but hey, at least you're free to bitch about it!
The world's going down the drain? Why? Because people use their smartphones to post on Facebook how poor they are? Wake up, goddamit. We have houses, food, health insurances and all kinds of other crap that is LUXURY in most parts of the world. In lots of democratic countries you don't even have to work to get these things, because they're considered to be basics that every citizen deserves! And if our politicians are corrupt pieces of shit, we're even allowed to elect Syriza or Podemos. Try doing this in a non-democratic country...

No, the (democratic!) world isn't going down the drain. Some countries realized that taking loans, or building hundreds of thousands of houses to sell them as capital investment isn't a viable model to run your country. But thanks to being democratic countries, we're getting loans from other democratic countries, allowing us to survive until we've rebuilt our economy to something that works. Turning into a dictatorship, wouldn't solve our problems. It would just mean that the same corrupt politicians could become even more corrupt, because they're not longer part of some union anymore.

What's going down the drain are oppressive regimes. That's why we have so many refugees in Europe. Some democratic countries see why it is the right thing to help those refugees, other democratic countries are free to say "Fuck you, we don't want them". But it's fucked up people again who say "Shoot them all, we hate Islam!!!!" in all their "Our democracy isn't a democracy"-glory.




ps. Sorry for raging. I just can't stand people (mainly Europeans) who can't see what great lives they're allowed to live. We don't have war, we have food, we're discussing all kinds of nonsense on the internet (while sitting in our warm homes!), we're free to chose where and what we work... Heck, just show a small piece of gratitude! It's a fucking privilege to be an European. I'm a German living and working self employed in Spain. I just threw some clothes in a bag, came here, registered at the town hall, rented a flat and started to work. If I'll ever fail in my job and can't earn my living, I can just go back to Germany, get a flat and health insurance for free and about 400 Euro a month to buy food and stuff. I'll get this because... well... because that's what you get when you don't have anything oO Seriously? How awesome is that?! I must be the luckiest person on this whole, damn planet! And that's an achievement of democracy, diplomacy and governments that try to make good decisions. Show me a non-democratic country where you have such a great live!