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General discussionSo I "beaten" KOTOR 2 for the first time, too bad ended up with the worst outcome :((51 posts)(51 posts)
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Posted August 09, 2015
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snowkatt: what are the other 2 ?
PS:Torment and Interstate '76 ?

Elmofrongo: Please post these game-specific posts in the game-specific forums. They need more life and stuff like this is great to have in them.
Posted August 09, 2015
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ScotchMonkey: Funny that's the only one Id didn't like.

Aside from that you know your game is something special when it is loved to this degree despite being completely fucked. I payed through with the restored content mod and my god what a butchering the vanilla version must have been.

In the top 3 for best written games of all time. No doubt about that.
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snowkatt: what are the other 2 ?
Silent Hill 2 and Shadowrun Dragonfall

My runners up.

Beneath a Steel Sky
Braid
Bioshock Infinite
Grim Fandango
Last of Us
Portal
Red Dead Redemption
Sanitarium
The Last Express
To the Moon
Posted August 09, 2015
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ScotchMonkey: Silent Hill 2 and Shadowrun Dragonfall

My runners up.

Beneath a Steel Sky
Braid
Bioshock Infinite
Grim Fandango
Last of Us
Portal
Red Dead Redemption
Sanitarium
The Last Express
To the Moon
of that list i have silent hill 2
bioshock infinite
red dead redemption
sanitarium
the last express
and to the moon
Posted August 09, 2015
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ScotchMonkey: Silent Hill 2 and Shadowrun Dragonfall

My runners up.

Beneath a Steel Sky
Braid
Bioshock Infinite
Grim Fandango
Last of Us
Portal
Red Dead Redemption
Sanitarium
The Last Express
To the Moon
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snowkatt: of that list i have silent hill 2
bioshock infinite
red dead redemption
sanitarium
the last express
and to the moon
Whats your all timer?
Posted August 09, 2015
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ScotchMonkey: Whats your all timer?
..that doesnt mean i actually played them >.>

so far its probably kotor II
Posted August 09, 2015
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snowkatt: what are the other 2 ?
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ScotchMonkey: Silent Hill 2 and Shadowrun Dragonfall

My runners up.


Bioshock Infinite

Last of Us
Last of Us is a rather bland and just feels like a rip off of Walking Dead with a bit of Lone Wolf and Cub dipped in it only this time the cub is an annoying teenage girl instead of 3-4 year old boy and who happens to be a lesbian.

Also I feel Bioshock Infinite became so overrated that people forgot Bioshock 1 existed.
Posted August 10, 2015
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johnnygoging: spoilers

KOTOR2 was good but it irritates me that it's so overhyped.

it wasn't that good. I'll give KOTOR2 one thing, and that's that even when you think you have it all figured out, and you can get it all mostly figured out fairly quick, it still finds a way to surprise you.

but Kreia isn't this brilliantly written masterpiece of a character. I was banging my head on the table wanting the option to pick to tell her to stfu so so many times with all of her short-sighted internally biased bigoted obviously-sith-derived-garbage-not-visionary-pragmatism-though-she-just-won't-admit nonsense, which guess what, means she's making the same mistake in failing to commit to the truth or to one viewpoint of the matter that she accuses you doing.

she's full of shit. everybody always goes on about how brilliant she is, but she's just full of shit.

meanwhile our homie master vrook gets no support. so sad.

not knocking KOTOR2 understand. it's a fantastic story and it's quite a feat that they were able to tell something unique inside Star Wars. really though, it's not as good as people make it out to be, kreia certainly isn't and there was so much more going on in that story outside of her which contributed to its excellence, the lack of recognition of which makes all these compliments suspect especially with regards to their devaluing of the original KOTOR and also is disrespectful to the game they are trumpeting. KOTOR1 was the fucking shit, its story was not the original trilogy retold, and there is something to be said for polished, tightly woven and well executed story.
Same here.

Kreia is one of the most badly written, pretentious, groan-worthy, preachy characters I've ever seen. On top of that, she's Chris Avelonne's mouthpiece, which means that she can't be allowed to be wrong ever. And the game constantly put you in positions where she's proven right.

I love Obsidian and their games, but this one is pure crap. On top of that character, it's buggy, incomplete and borderline unplayable.
Post edited August 10, 2015 by POLE7645
Posted August 10, 2015
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johnnygoging: spoilers

KOTOR2 was good but it irritates me that it's so overhyped.

it wasn't that good. I'll give KOTOR2 one thing, and that's that even when you think you have it all figured out, and you can get it all mostly figured out fairly quick, it still finds a way to surprise you.

but Kreia isn't this brilliantly written masterpiece of a character. I was banging my head on the table wanting the option to pick to tell her to stfu so so many times with all of her short-sighted internally biased bigoted obviously-sith-derived-garbage-not-visionary-pragmatism-though-she-just-won't-admit nonsense, which guess what, means she's making the same mistake in failing to commit to the truth or to one viewpoint of the matter that she accuses you doing.

she's full of shit. everybody always goes on about how brilliant she is, but she's just full of shit.

meanwhile our homie master vrook gets no support. so sad.

not knocking KOTOR2 understand. it's a fantastic story and it's quite a feat that they were able to tell something unique inside Star Wars. really though, it's not as good as people make it out to be, kreia certainly isn't and there was so much more going on in that story outside of her which contributed to its excellence, the lack of recognition of which makes all these compliments suspect especially with regards to their devaluing of the original KOTOR and also is disrespectful to the game they are trumpeting. KOTOR1 was the fucking shit, its story was not the original trilogy retold, and there is something to be said for polished, tightly woven and well executed story.
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POLE7645: Same here.

Kreia is one of the most badly written, pretentious, groan-worthy, preachy characters I've ever seen. On top of that, she's Chris Avelonne's mouthpiece, which means that she can't be allowed to be wrong ever. And the game constantly put you in positions where she's proven right.

I love Obsidian and their games, but this one is pure crap. On top of that character, it's buggy, incomplete and borderline unplayable.
Chris Avolonne is Chaotic Neutral when he plays DnD.

And yeah Kreia can come off as cruel.
Posted August 10, 2015
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POLE7645: Same here.

Kreia is one of the most badly written, pretentious, groan-worthy, preachy characters I've ever seen. On top of that, she's Chris Avelonne's mouthpiece, which means that she can't be allowed to be wrong ever. And the game constantly put you in positions where she's proven right.

I love Obsidian and their games, but this one is pure crap. On top of that character, it's buggy, incomplete and borderline unplayable.
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Elmofongo: Chris Avolonne is Chaotic Neutral when he plays DnD.

And yeah Kreia can come off as cruel.
I would argue that there's a lot more wrong with her than her cruelty. But it's tied to the most fundamuntal flaw of this game's story.
Posted August 10, 2015
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Elmofongo: Chris Avolonne is Chaotic Neutral when he plays DnD.

And yeah Kreia can come off as cruel.
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POLE7645: I would argue that there's a lot more wrong with her than her cruelty. But it's tied to the most fundamuntal flaw of this game's story.
Define her of the following, exactly how is she:

1. Pretentious

2.Groan Worthy

3 Badly Written.
Posted August 10, 2015
I wouldn't go so far as badly written and groan-worthy. She's good, she's just not so good.
Posted August 10, 2015
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POLE7645: I would argue that there's a lot more wrong with her than her cruelty. But it's tied to the most fundamuntal flaw of this game's story.
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Elmofongo: Define her of the following, exactly how is she:

1. Pretentious

2.Groan Worthy

3 Badly Written.
The entire game could be renamed "Kreia is right". She basically has no personality beside saying stuff and being vindicated right after. And she never shuts up. Every time she opens her mouth, I wish for an option to shut her up and it never comes up. And when it does, the game goes out of it's way to prove her right. She's litteraly the Brian Griffin of Star Wars: a character that only exist to be proven right.

And no mistakes, you HAVE to agree with her in order to gain the abilities from her approval and these are necessary to make any sort of progress.

And it's tied to another thing. This is a game written by people that hate Star Wars and won't stop shutting up about it. Chris Avellone even admitted that he wrote Kreia to show how the Star Wars universe, in his words, "doesn't make any goddamn sense". I came payed 20$ for a Star Wars game with the writing talent of Obsidian, not Chris Avelonne's essay on how Star Wars and it's fans sucks.

So that's the gist of it. She's the unholy combinason of Mary-sue and Author Avatar. That is NOT how you write a good character. Sure, she brings up some good points (and this game contains some interesting concepts), but she's barely more than an exposition dump (and she doesn't get much better as a villain).
Posted August 10, 2015
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Elmofongo: Define her of the following, exactly how is she:

1. Pretentious

2.Groan Worthy

3 Badly Written.
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POLE7645: The entire game could be renamed "Kreia is right". She basically has no personality beside saying stuff and being vindicated right after. And she never shuts up. Every time she opens her mouth, I wish for an option to shut her up and it never comes up. And when it does, the game goes out of it's way to prove her right. She's litteraly the Brian Griffin of Star Wars: a character that only exist to be proven right.

And no mistakes, you HAVE to agree with her in order to gain the abilities from her approval and these are necessary to make any sort of progress.

And it's tied to another thing. This is a game written by people that hate Star Wars and won't stop shutting up about it. Chris Avellone even admitted that he wrote Kreia to show how the Star Wars universe, in his words, "doesn't make any goddamn sense". I came payed 20$ for a Star Wars game with the writing talent of Obsidian, not Chris Avelonne's essay on how Star Wars and it's fans sucks.

So that's the gist of it. She's the unholy combinason of Mary-sue and Author Avatar. That is NOT how you write a good character. Sure, she brings up some good points (and this game contains some interesting concepts), but she's barely more than an exposition dump (and she doesn't get much better as a villain).
She hates the force yet at the same time she seems to see the force as a beautiful and wonderous thing.

For example this one dialoge in describing the Force to the Handmaiden when we first met her.
Posted August 10, 2015
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POLE7645: The entire game could be renamed "Kreia is right". She basically has no personality beside saying stuff and being vindicated right after. And she never shuts up. Every time she opens her mouth, I wish for an option to shut her up and it never comes up. And when it does, the game goes out of it's way to prove her right. She's litteraly the Brian Griffin of Star Wars: a character that only exist to be proven right.

And no mistakes, you HAVE to agree with her in order to gain the abilities from her approval and these are necessary to make any sort of progress.

And it's tied to another thing. This is a game written by people that hate Star Wars and won't stop shutting up about it. Chris Avellone even admitted that he wrote Kreia to show how the Star Wars universe, in his words, "doesn't make any goddamn sense". I came payed 20$ for a Star Wars game with the writing talent of Obsidian, not Chris Avelonne's essay on how Star Wars and it's fans sucks.

So that's the gist of it. She's the unholy combinason of Mary-sue and Author Avatar. That is NOT how you write a good character. Sure, she brings up some good points (and this game contains some interesting concepts), but she's barely more than an exposition dump (and she doesn't get much better as a villain).
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Elmofongo: She hates the force yet at the same time she seems to see the force as a beautiful and wonderous thing.

For example this one dialoge in describing the Force to the Handmaiden when we first met her.
What dialogue?

From your description, this sounds like more exposition. She might be good at exposition, but that also makes her devoid of personnality (since that's all she does).
Posted August 10, 2015
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Elmofongo: She hates the force yet at the same time she seems to see the force as a beautiful and wonderous thing.

For example this one dialoge in describing the Force to the Handmaiden when we first met her.
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POLE7645: What dialogue?

From your description, this sounds like more exposition. She might be good at exposition, but that also makes her devoid of personnality (since that's all she does).
I have to admit I am starting to dislike Star Wars....at least only the aspect of Jedis and Sith.

How does a Sith live his life? Does a sith really have to live as some power hungry megalomaniac? Trying to prove to everyone who is strongest?
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