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joelandsonja: I'm always pleased to see companies moving away from consoles and focusing on PCs.

Why would I bother spending extra cash on a console when I could just upgrade my PC?

I would love to see all of the gaming companies focus strictly on tablets and PCs.
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Neobr10: You can't be that dumb. Have you read the article linked in the OP? It's very clear that they are shifting their focus to online PC games and mobile. This means more F2P crap like that Sonic-themed Temple Run clone and that F2P Crazy Taxi abomination, not single-player experiences like Total War or Company of Heroes. Use your ####### brain at least once. In the end, both PC and console gamers lose. Unless you really like those crappy mobile games.

Now there are absolutely no chances of getting PC ports of classics like Bayonetta and Vanquish. But let's ####### celebrate that they are moving away from consoles, even if that means less PC games as well. What a ####### genious you are.

Not to mention how ridiculous and short-sighted it is to think that everything should cater to your preferences over everyone else.
First of all dude ... shut the hell up and relax. There's always a chance for getting ports to the PC ... always.

Although I will say that I completely despise tablet gaming ... but I also hate consoles. Sorry, but I'm not the only one.

Rather than making a genuine effort to produce a single console system (which is basically what the PC is made to do) game publishers sink all of their time and effort into making the 'next gen console', which only serves to water down the market with endless expensive consoles, simply to generate more profits. There's no reason why these game developers couldn't release their games primarily for PC and tablets, since these are the only devices that everyone already has. At least Sega was smart enough to know when to quit.

I don't think it's particular bright to buy a new console year after year when the majority of PC's are fully functional to deliver top notch games to the world. Bottom line ... I used to love consoles, but now I can't wait to see them die.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by joelandsonja
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joelandsonja: Give me a break, every kid owns a tablet these days, so let's not pretend we're doing it for the children.

Although I will say it's a bummer that there were so many layoffs at Sega ...
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snowkatt: im sure almost 400 million console gamers are just dying to move to the pc eh ?
cause we are all just like you

which is not short sighted at all
That's nothing compared to the billions of PC and tablet owners ... just like me.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by joelandsonja
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joelandsonja: Give me a break, every kid owns a tablet these days, so let's not pretend we're doing it for the children.

Although I will say it's a bummer that there were so many layoffs at Sega ...
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snowkatt: im sure almost 400 million console gamers are just dying to move to the pc eh ?
cause we are all just like you

which is not short sighted at all

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Roxolani: "SEGA" is dead and "sega" is born.
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snowkatt: this new sega is not sega anymore
100%. No doubt about it. They buried their achievements a long time ago.
Sad to see more lay-offs, IIRC there were many of them concerning Creative Assembly a few years ago (and IIRC, the developers who are behind Satellite Reign worked in CA before, but I may be wrong).

Even more sad to see that they could prefer the F2P route.

SEGA always looked at PC for two decades. They had a specific brand SEGAPC (and SEGASoft too) and released Windows ports of many games: early Win95 SEGA Megadrive games, Daytona USA, Daytona USA CCE, SEGA Rally, Panzer Dragoon, Three Dirty Dwarves, and more. And most of all for people who loved the tabletop RPG: they published (while a bit unfinished especially in the IA side) Emperor of Fading Suns. SEGA bought Creative Assembly and made Total War since Rome, and they now own the Company of Heroes series. And they obviously released the newer SEGA Megadrive classics.

It's not like they never touched computer gaming.

Sometimes I believe they are still struggling between themselves. I am pretty sure that SoA and SoE are fine with computer gaming for years, while SoJ doesn't. It's assumption for sure, don't let me say that I would have evidence on it. It could explain why SEGA actually prefers Steam to block Japanese IPs. SoJ may have opened their eyes with the Valkyria Chronicles' re-release success. But I am still wondering about how they could see DRM-free outside from old Megadrive games. And if their absurd anti-DRMfree censorship on CA forums will still be there. And remember how SEGA did their witchhunt on Youtube about Shining the Holy Ark fans and videos just because... SEGA wanted to release a new Shining game: Shining Ark...
Post edited February 01, 2015 by Huinehtar
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joelandsonja: At least Sega was smart enough to know when to quit.
But they are not leaving console gaming, they are leaving traditional gaming as a whole to focus on smartphone and PC online gaming. There's a key difference there. Basically what they mean is that they will be focusing on F2P from now on, which might be a serious threat to the Total War and Company of Heroes franchises as well.

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joelandsonja: I don't think it's particular bright to buy a new console year after year when the majority of PC's are fully functional to deliver top notch games to the world.
Oh, c'mon. Which console is being released "year after year"? The last generation lasted 8 fucking years. PCs definitely don't last that long for gaming without an upgrade.

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joelandsonja: Bottom line ... I used to love consoles, but now I can't wait to see them die.
Well, you'd better take a sit while waiting. It will probably take a while, especially considering that both the Xbox One and the PS4 are outselling their respective predecessors. Oh, and it's better to not even mention that console gaming generates much more money than PC gaming (unless you lump mobile games in the same category as PC games like a recent research did).
Post edited February 01, 2015 by Neobr10
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Neobr10: But they are not leaving console gaming, they are leaving traditional gaming as a whole to focus on smartphone and PC online gaming. There's a key difference there. Basically what they mean is that they will be focusing on F2P from now on, which might be a serious threat to the Total War and Company of Heroes franchises as well.
I actually meant quit making consoles ...

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Neobr10: Oh, c'mon. Which console is being released "year after year"? The last generation lasted 8 fucking years. PCs definitely don't last that long for gaming without an upgrade.
I think the biggest problem with consoles is backwards compatibility. How many times do you need to buy the same game before you say enough is enough. (This is where GOG.com comes in) Not to mention the fact that you have to buy three or four systems just to get all of the games you want. Each system has a dozen great games, but they're never on the same system.

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Neobr10: Well, you'd better take a sit while waiting. It will probably take a while, especially considering that both the Xbox One and the PS4 are outselling their respective predecessors. Oh, and it's better to not even mention that console gaming generates much more money than PC gaming (unless you lump mobile games in the same category as PC games like a recent research did).
Of course consoles generate more money, there aren't a lot of game publishers making games for the PC ... this is the problem I'm talking about. Why would I want to buy a gaming console when I have the potential to simply plug a controller into my PC and play the exact same game at a fraction of the price? It makes absolutely no sense to me.


And seriously ... are you actually down-voting me for this discussion? Seriously?
Post edited February 01, 2015 by joelandsonja
Seems like Sega's long gone dead .... I can't say I'm sorry for them seeing how badly they used their portofolio, it takes talent to screw it that badly the way they did ...
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joelandsonja: I actually meant quit making consoles ...
Why do you think Sega needed to "refocus" on F2P gaming? Sega's management has always been a mess from the beggining. Sega's failure on the console market has absolutely nothing to do with the console market itself, but with how Sega managed their businesss. It's not that "Sega was smart enough to know when to quit", the thing is that Sega had to step back because they couldn't keep up with the competition, especially with years of mismanagement and horrible business decisions. The console market is still there, as big as ever, as proven by both the PS4 and the Xbox One outselling their respective predecessors (despite the fact that both systems are lacking must-have games at the moment). If Sega's management hadn't been so horrible, they could still be on the console market.

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joelandsonja: I think the biggest problem with consoles is backwards compatibility. How many times do you need to buy the same game before you say enough is enough. Not to mention the fact that you have to buy three or four systems just to get all of the games you want. Each system has a dozen great games, but they're never on the same system.
Yes, i agree with you on this one. The lack of backwards compability is a problem. I personally don't care about it because i always keep my old consoles around, but the problem exists.

But let's not pretend the PC is perfect on this department either. We both know very well that modern OS and hardware do bring compability issues with older games.

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joelandsonja: Of course consoles generate more money, because they don't make enough games for the PC ... this is the problem I'm talking about.
Uh? Pretty much all the games released on consoles nowadays are also released on the PC (with the obvious exception of first-party titles). Are you sure there aren't enough games around? That's nonsense.

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joelandsonja: Why would I want to buy a gaming console when I can simply plug a controller into my PC and play the exact same game at a fraction of the cost? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
There, i did you a favor and highlighted the key expression for you. The fact that it doesn't make sense to you does not turn your opinion into an universal truth. There are a number of reasons why most gamers prefer consoles over PCs: convenience, not having to upgrade the components, price, exclusive games, no compability problems and a few others.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by Neobr10
That's right ... to me ... you have your opinion and I have mine, so let's just relax and not take it so personally.
Post edited February 01, 2015 by joelandsonja
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RoloTony: That was Gearbox.
And Isolation was Creative Assembly. Of course I'm aware of how Gearbox abused Sega's funding, lied to Sega and the press but if you give Sega all the credit for Isolation you also have to give them shit for Colonial Marines. :P
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snowkatt: im sure almost 400 million console gamers are just dying to move to the pc eh ?
cause we are all just like you

which is not short sighted at all
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joelandsonja: That's nothing compared to the billions of PC and tablet owners ... just like me.
and how many of those are gamers ?
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joelandsonja: That's nothing compared to the billions of PC and tablet owners ... just like me.
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snowkatt: and how many of those are gamers ?
All of them... to some degree.
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Neobr10: Oh, c'mon. Which console is being released "year after year"? The last generation lasted 8 fucking years. PCs definitely don't last that long for gaming without an upgrade.
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joelandsonja: I think the biggest problem with consoles is backwards compatibility. How many times do you need to buy the same game before you say enough is enough. (This is where GOG.com comes in) Not to mention the fact that you have to buy three or four systems just to get all of the games you want. Each system has a dozen great games, but they're never on the same system.
bullshit are you actually listening to your self ?

the ps1 is supported by every major successor right our of the box the ps 2 3 and 4 play ps1 games right out of the box

the first ps3 played ps2 games right out of the box

the wii is backaward compatible with the cube
and the wii U with the wii

the 360 plays original xbox games

and the ps4 plays all previous playstation games via playstation now

how much more backwards compatability do you need ?

and before you start that this is recent the playstation 2 lasted 14 years
the ps3 is still an ongoing concern

and lets not pretend the pc is perfect shall we ?
how many hoops do you have to jump through to install xp or 9x games ?
from my experience quite a lot

and if you dislike rebuying the same games what exactly are you doing on gog then ?
shouldnt you be buying the original games and jump through hoops to get them going ?

people buy consoles because its a one time investment you buy it and it will work end of story

no upgrades no updates no need to worry if your game down the road will work or not a game from 2017 will work on a console from 2014

that and consoel exclusives is why peopel buy consoles wether you like it or not and consoles arent going anywhere any time soon either
wether you like that or not
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snowkatt: and how many of those are gamers ?
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rtcvb32: All of them... to some degree.
im sure 90 % of those fiddle with f2p games and then ignore games alltogether ;p
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mobutu: Seems like Sega's long gone dead .... I can't say I'm sorry for them seeing how badly they used their portofolio, it takes talent to screw it that badly the way they did ...
i have said this a few times before but sega died in 2001 along with the dreamcast

whats in its place is something alltogether different
sega in name only
Post edited February 01, 2015 by snowkatt
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rtcvb32: All of them... to some degree.
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snowkatt: im sure 90 % of those fiddle with f2p games and then ignore games alltogether ;p
I was meaning more along the lines of what comes with the system, simple time wasters... Windows has almost always included Solitaire & MineSweeper.

As for tablets, i'll agree f2p to try out before dropping it; Far more i've relied on a ftp/network program letting me download and playback mp4 files on my tablet while i'm on the toilet for a half hour or so, usually youtube channels i downloaded in bulk, containing over a gig of 360p video.
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snowkatt: im sure 90 % of those fiddle with f2p games and then ignore games alltogether ;p
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rtcvb32: I was meaning more along the lines of what comes with the system, simple time wasters... Windows has almost always included Solitaire & MineSweeper.

As for tablets, i'll agree f2p to try out before dropping it; Far more i've relied on a ftp/network program letting me download and playback mp4 files on my tablet while i'm on the toilet for a half hour or so, usually youtube channels i downloaded in bulk, containing over a gig of 360p video.
ios doesnt come with build in games though

dunno about android never touched droid long enough to find out

tablets are more suitable for watching videos or reading things and surfing then playing games anyway
the non tactile controls drive me up the wall