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Posted January 17, 2015
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KasperHviid: Thanks for upgrading my brain! I have never been much into cyberpunk myself, but likes the visual feast of Tetsuo and similar. I had never considered this, but the body horror in Japanese cyberpunk fits into the man/machine theme of 'general' cyberpunk.

I have played it a bit. I wanted to read an electronic note ... so I tried:

> TURN ON NOTE
syntax error

> TURN ON ELECTRONIC NOTE
please be more specific

> TURN ON THE ELECTRONIC NOTE
syntax error

Finally I ended up looking it up in the manual. It appear that I should have written:
> TURN NOTE ON

... So the game suffers from a really pedantic engine which caused me to ragequit. I think they underestimated the works required to build a text parser from scratch. Also, some elements only makes sense if you read some .pdf that followed with the game. This is done on purpose, to make the extra stuff supplied and the game itself suplement each other.

This is a shame, because the visuals and the always-on-top location description is really an improvement of the genre. But this game is solely for hardcore text adventure fans.
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iippo: heh, ive been thinking about trying it out some day. Maybe when/if it eventually ends up in gog...
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xa_chan: Onpnp games, you also had Mekton Z that was overlapping between mechas, japanese anime and more traditional sci-fi.

I'd say that Gunnm (Battle Angel Alita I think, in english) would also qualify for cyberpunk. Too bad the anime is crappy...
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iippo: Alita and the Last Order are very good series in my opinion. But.

High on cyber - low on punk. Gets close, but not close enough for "purist" like me ;)

Alita is pretty superhero sort of character and the cyberpunkish dystopia isnt really there. Well, its sort of there, but it doesnt really play such big part in the overall series. The focus is strictly on Alita.

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"Original" cyberpunk (genre) shared alot with noir. Thats also something you dont really see these days.

Dreamweb did that part exceptionally well. We have Bloodnet here on gog, which i assume has lots of cyberpunk in it, but havent yet had the time to try it out nor have i watched gameplay.
what's this original cyberpunk? :)
I remember reading an old anthology of cyberpunk - a collection of short stories themed under cyberpunk.
This was published way back in the day. These stories were really varied. There was really not much in common with these stories except they were at least a few years in the future, or they were alternative present.

I mean it would have been just sci-fi except there was always a strong emphasis on changing the human body, and the perspective was down-to-earth. With cybernetics or even just legalized psychedelic drugs. No pages and pages of history or the society. I think that's what summed up (western) cyberpunk originally - Something has radically changed and then there's characters who are depicted quite in raw.

Then there was that "dark dystopian thing" - but it wasn't always there. Cyberpunk can be full of laughter too. Or so I gathered from those stories. Wish I could give you the title but it's lost to me.

And the Dark Sunglasses :)

Anyhow. Just thought to share this. Not saying I know anything better.
Just think the movie industry has been having way too much influence on how cyberpunk now is defined.
I read Bruce Sterling and realized if this is cyberpunk, there is so much more to the word :) Love, and shit.
Post edited January 17, 2015 by superstande
Posted January 20, 2015
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timppu: I don't remember if I've asked this before...

In many US movies, when people travel in subways, the lights go off and on every now and then while people are inside. That effect is especially used in action or horror movies like Predator 2 (IIRC) and The Midnight Meat Train (great movie, I liked it).

Is that merely a trick for movies, or is that normal in e.g. some New York subways, older ones? Is it because the vans don't have constant contact to electricity? Is it really that bad as in the movies, the lights seem to go on and off quite constantly?

Just reminded me in the Meat Train movie, because the subways here are nothing like that. Well, except the fact that there was some crazy axe murderer in one subway here like one or two decades ago, a bit like in that movie (that's why they later added unbreakable glasses behind the seats so that no one can hit you from behind if you sit, so you can enjoy a safe trip without an axe in your skull).
If you don't meant American subways only, I can tell that I remember as I was a kid, I drove with the subway in Kiew/Ukraine (Metro), where these light on/off thing appeared - but not such often/long like in the movies... Didn't know what was the reason for that, but I still know that I liked that. :)
Posted January 20, 2015
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Freak92: I was the only one who had to write the Word homework on a typewriter.
I did that too, until 1998. ;_;
Posted January 21, 2015
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superstande: what's this original cyberpunk? :)
I remember reading an old anthology of cyberpunk - a collection of short stories themed under cyberpunk.
This was published way back in the day. These stories were really varied. There was really not much in common with these stories except they were at least a few years in the future, or they were alternative present.

I mean it would have been just sci-fi except there was always a strong emphasis on changing the human body, and the perspective was down-to-earth. With cybernetics or even just legalized psychedelic drugs. No pages and pages of history or the society. I think that's what summed up (western) cyberpunk originally - Something has radically changed and then there's characters who are depicted quite in raw.
Have you ever seen Max Headroom? Would you say that is cyberpunk?
Posted January 21, 2015
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superstande: what's this original cyberpunk? :)
I remember reading an old anthology of cyberpunk - a collection of short stories themed under cyberpunk.
This was published way back in the day. These stories were really varied. There was really not much in common with these stories except they were at least a few years in the future, or they were alternative present.

I mean it would have been just sci-fi except there was always a strong emphasis on changing the human body, and the perspective was down-to-earth. With cybernetics or even just legalized psychedelic drugs. No pages and pages of history or the society. I think that's what summed up (western) cyberpunk originally - Something has radically changed and then there's characters who are depicted quite in raw.
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Gede: Have you ever seen Max Headroom? Would you say that is cyberpunk?
Ah, can't remember much about that, but at least little bit of that when I was young. From what I can remember, I'd say yes... Max Headroom, heh. Should check out that again :)
Posted January 21, 2015
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superstande: Ah, can't remember much about that, but at least little bit of that when I was young. From what I can remember, I'd say yes... Max Headroom, heh. Should check out that again :)
I was too young to make anything out of it when it played on TV. I re-watched the show recently. It had some nice things in there. "This TV has an off switch. That is illegal!"
It was a nicely thought-out world, not based on tired clichés.

BTW, don't miss the british pilot episode.

I also rewatched "Captain Power" recently. It seems there is some movie project in the works...
Posted January 21, 2015
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superstande: Ah, can't remember much about that, but at least little bit of that when I was young. From what I can remember, I'd say yes... Max Headroom, heh. Should check out that again :)
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Gede: I was too young to make anything out of it when it played on TV. I re-watched the show recently. It had some nice things in there. "This TV has an off switch. That is illegal!"
It was a nicely thought-out world, not based on tired clichés.

BTW, don't miss the british pilot episode.

I also rewatched "Captain Power" recently. It seems there is some movie project in the works...
Thanks for the tip, I favourited Max on youtube. I have a faint recollection there was also a game based on the series...
Maybe I will do a google search :)
Posted January 21, 2015
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timppu: I don't remember if I've asked this before...

In many US movies, when people travel in subways, the lights go off and on every now and then while people are inside. That effect is especially used in action or horror movies like Predator 2 (IIRC) and The Midnight Meat Train (great movie, I liked it).

Is that merely a trick for movies, or is that normal in e.g. some New York subways, older ones? Is it because the vans don't have constant contact to electricity? Is it really that bad as in the movies, the lights seem to go on and off quite constantly?

Just reminded me in the Meat Train movie, because the subways here are nothing like that. Well, except the fact that there was some crazy axe murderer in one subway here like one or two decades ago, a bit like in that movie (that's why they later added unbreakable glasses behind the seats so that no one can hit you from behind if you sit, so you can enjoy a safe trip without an axe in your skull).
You can get the same in the London Tube (Underground). It does go off, because the trams are old and might lose contact on the trip.

It goes like this:
Start -> Travel -> Light off/on sometimes -> Announcement "we have to stop and wait for the blabla-tram" in the middle of a tunnel -> Travel -> ...
Posted January 21, 2015
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disi: You can get the same in the London Tube (Underground). It does go off, because the trams are old and might lose contact on the trip.

It goes like this:
Start -> Travel -> Light off/on sometimes -> Announcement "we have to stop and wait for the blabla-tram" in the middle of a tunnel -> Travel -> ...
I meant that when the tram is speeding through the tunnels, the lights just keep going off and on every now and then, maybe also flickering. That's how it seems in some of those movies, just wondered if e.g. NY subways really are like that or is it mostly an effect for action and horror movies.
Posted January 21, 2015
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disi: You can get the same in the London Tube (Underground). It does go off, because the trams are old and might lose contact on the trip.

It goes like this:
Start -> Travel -> Light off/on sometimes -> Announcement "we have to stop and wait for the blabla-tram" in the middle of a tunnel -> Travel -> ...
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timppu: I meant that when the tram is speeding through the tunnels, the lights just keep going off and on every now and then, maybe also flickering. That's how it seems in some of those movies, just wondered if e.g. NY subways really are like that or is it mostly an effect for action and horror movies.
It's mostly used for dramatic effect.
Post edited January 21, 2015 by omega64
Posted January 21, 2015
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disi: You can get the same in the London Tube (Underground). It does go off, because the trams are old and might lose contact on the trip.

It goes like this:
Start -> Travel -> Light off/on sometimes -> Announcement "we have to stop and wait for the blabla-tram" in the middle of a tunnel -> Travel -> ...
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timppu: I meant that when the tram is speeding through the tunnels, the lights just keep going off and on every now and then, maybe also flickering. That's how it seems in some of those movies, just wondered if e.g. NY subways really are like that or is it mostly an effect for action and horror movies.
And that was, what I tried to explain with the highlight of stopping in a tunnel waiting for another tram to pass before it can continue. It is quite horrible. The light can go off for a few seconds and come on again or it just flickers.
Posted January 21, 2015
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disi: And that was, what I tried to explain with the highlight of stopping in a tunnel waiting for another tram to pass before it can continue. It is quite horrible. The light can go off for a few seconds and come on again or it just flickers.
Ah ok, I misunderstood a bit.
Posted January 22, 2015
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Posted January 22, 2015
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xa_chan: You prepared the offerings for my coming? ^_^

Ooookay, well, cyberpunk is cyberpunk. It's actually not a really popular genre around here. Most of the anime/movies are not cyberpunk. And I think that producers use the work cyberpunk quite liberally, because "cyberpunk" can range from Akira to Tetsuo (see what I did there? ^_^), while also including Psycho-pass or Appleseed.

I think the genre "mecha" is far more popular here with Gundam and all its copies than the genre "cyberpunk".

Some examples of "japanese cyberpunk" as i understand it:

Tetsuo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROMTzJsfOI

Appleseed Alpha : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDb2J6DIwg

Avalon : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TTgzumaI0w (sorry for the poor quality)

Cyber City OEDO 808 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwBXPsetOHM

As you can see, pretty different things... Hell, even Evangelion could be considered as "cyberpunk"!
I have to make an observation. The U.S. NEEDS TO HAVE A REVITALIZATION OF MECHA!! Seriously, I grew up on that shit. Gundam, Zoids, Battletech, The Big O!, I loved them all. And I sincerely wish more Mech video games existed, ones like the game Gigantic Drive (which I wish missed because I didn't own a PS2) or other ones that aren't just Gundam. Don't get me wrong, I love Gundam Extreme Vs, but I would also love for more slower-paced mech games that give you a good weighty feel...
Posted January 22, 2015
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timppu: I don't remember if I've asked this before...

In many US movies, when people travel in subways, the lights go off and on every now and then while people are inside. That effect is especially used in action or horror movies like Predator 2 (IIRC) and The Midnight Meat Train (great movie, I liked it).

Is that merely a trick for movies, or is that normal in e.g. some New York subways, older ones? Is it because the vans don't have constant contact to electricity? Is it really that bad as in the movies, the lights seem to go on and off quite constantly?

Just reminded me in the Meat Train movie, because the subways here are nothing like that. Well, except the fact that there was some crazy axe murderer in one subway here like one or two decades ago, a bit like in that movie (that's why they later added unbreakable glasses behind the seats so that no one can hit you from behind if you sit, so you can enjoy a safe trip without an axe in your skull).
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disi: You can get the same in the London Tube (Underground). It does go off, because the trams are old and might lose contact on the trip.

It goes like this:
Start -> Travel -> Light off/on sometimes -> Announcement "we have to stop and wait for the blabla-tram" in the middle of a tunnel -> Travel -> ...
I would take the tube over almost any American Subway or trolley system any day, the New York City subway especially. You could probably contract Bubonic plague in there quite easily, granted if it was still possible for the plague to be contracted in the U.S. Joking aside, there were certainly some health concerns in that city whenever I had the unfortunate pleasure of having to travel there.
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