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truhlik: Oh, another of those threads, where OP starts discussion or stated their opinion about something, and then disappeared for ever. And others are trying to help, advice or discuss with the OP. With no results.
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timppu: I am not trying to help him/her or try to persuade him/her to change their opinion on the subject. Especially as I don't think I will succeed in it, and frankly I don't see the need either.
It was not meant in any offensive way. Neither personally to anyone. Just sighed a little about this behavioring.
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timppu: Who are most of us raised by? By our mothers (especially if your mother was a single mother), and by our female nannies at daycare and female teachers. So it is mainly women's fault that boys are taught to like prÖn while girls are not, and their fault how we have turned out?
Society teach as how we should be and our beliefs. If you read history the role of women and men has changed because sociaty has changed.Our mothers (and our fathers, teachers,etc) will tend to teach us and to give us what they think is the best for us. And the best is to agree with the rules and beliefs of the society even if they are not correct or fair,

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timppu: Also, there is not really any one view that this "society" is teaching people. In e.g. all western countries, there are both liberals and conservatives who think wildly differently about different subjects, and also vote differently. How is that possible, if all of us are raised by the same "society" who is allegedly teaching us to think only one way?
That's the reason why we know that there are many things that are learned and they are not biological, because we can find exceptions that prove they are not always the same or should not be the same. Things that were facts, now they are not facts (think about gender,, sex, porn, discrimination, etc.)

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timppu: You say female pole dancers are frowned upon, as if male pole dancers have it any easier. Trust me, they don't. For one thing, men weight more and the pole will collapse more easily and you will land on your head.
I just wanted to say that you will suffer from different kind of negative connotations if you are a woman or a man. So society has different standards (and roles) for women and men, and try to "punish" people who don't follow them. And different societies can have different standars and roles that is the reason why we know they are learned amd we can change them.
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timppu: [...]
First of all, the fact that you don’t know the porn industry is heavily male-dominated just shows a lack of understanding of the porn industry. This isn’t a conspiracy theory - it’s a matter of numbers, facts, public record and well-documented data. Almost all major porn studios and production companies are owned, managed, and financed by men. A 2008 study showed that only 4% of porn directors were women. That number has risen slightly over the past decade, thanks to directors like Erika Lust, Cindy Gallop, and Angie Rowntree, who, by the way, also make porn for women (you know, the kind you claim doesn't exist, because 'women aren’t interested'). This male dominance is clearly reflected in the content: women are typically portrayed as passive, eager, and subservient, while men are dominant initiators. Foreplay, something women often value, is frequently skipped, and the 'goal' of most scenes is male ejaculation (eagerly worshiped by the women). A 2007 study by Bridges et al. found that 94% of porn scenes depicted men holding power over women, with very few showing balanced dynamics or women in control. And then you wonder why women don’t want with this content?

Let’s also clarify that I was talking about porn, not power fantasies. They're different subjects, though they sometimes intersect. But if we follow your argument that women have power fantasies too, fine, I agree. The problem is that porn rarely explores those fantasies from a female perspective. That doesn’t mean women aren’t interested in porn, it means porn isn’t made for them. You also brought up OnlyFans, but again, we’ve already established that what many women want in porn is not a man masturbating alone on camera like a piece of meat. That format is tailored to male consumers. By using this as an example, you are assuming that women would want the same thing as men, so you are simply projecting your preferences onto them - and then blaming women when they don’t engage.

So, to sum up:
1 - You’ve admitted you don’t know have much knoweldge about this, and yet you argue as if you do.
2 - You assume that because you haven’t seen porn for women, it doesn’t exist or isn’t wanted.
3 - You project your male preferences onto women, and then are suprised they do not want it.
4 - You look at a male-dominated industry producing male-oriented content and are somehow surprised that women aren’t interested.

All of these are flawed assumptions rooted in ignorance and a lack of understanding.

Honestly, debating this with you feels like explaining physics to a flat earther: the foundation just isn’t there. And just as pointless it is to try to teach a flat earther aboout physics, I think this is just as pointless. So unless you have something that is actually worth talking about, there’s no real point in continuing this.
I'm locking this thread. There were countless discussions here about the NSFW games, but with how different the views of both sides are, I, unfortunately, have to say that they never accomplished anything more than generating frustrations for everyone involved.