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Posted August 06, 2016
Lately I've felt like playing Borderlands 2 (watching streams from Admiral Bahroo I remembered how much fun I had with it) and continue my Darkest Dungeon run, so I proceeded to install Steam, log in, and install said games.

The idea was that once installed, since they are listed as DRM-free Here, I could remove Steam from my system afterwards.

I was wrong.

Darkest Dungeon closes suddenly, without any error message or anything similar at random intervals: sometimes it takes 20-30 minutes, sometimes it's just after completing a mission, and others simply when loading the game.

As for Borderlands 2, it just won't open despite following the instructions mentioned on said list:

Pretty simple, adding -nosteam or running the mentioned command in a terminal should allow the game to run without Steam

But then this shows up

Both of them work flawlessly with Steam installed and open, of course. But if you try to run them with Steam offline or uninstalled they start giving these errors.

Either leaving them in their default directories or moving them to somewhere else does nothing, they just won't work properly without Steam...

Anyone can come up with a solution for one/both of these? I could play with them with Steam on, but the point is that they are listed as DRM-free when they are giving nothing but trouble without said DRM and I don't know if it's a fault on my side or not.

Thanks in advance.
This question / problem has been solved by pedrovay2003image
Posted August 06, 2016
Well, that's why GOG exists...

Uh sorry, I can't help you with Steam, but someone hopefully will show up.
Posted August 06, 2016
I don't have solution to your problem. But if you want to play Steam games, I think it's better to have Steam installed, just to avoid problems like one you're facing right now. I also don't like having to launch Steam just to play games, but I simply tolerated it. If I can play a game without Steam, that's my go to method
Posted August 06, 2016
Read it again OP, the -nosteam for Borderlands 2 only works on Linux (unless you are using Linux and I'm being a silly goose).

As for Darkest Dungeon, dunno, can't help. You are running it from the exact folder specified in the list?
Posted August 06, 2016
I AM using Linux (Mint 18).

Darkest Dungeon has windowsnosteam for Windows build, and linuxnosteam for Linux one. Using the launchers from "linuxnosteam" folder run the game, but it closes on it's own after a while. Both x86 and x86_64.

Sadly, BL2 isn't available on GoG, and I got Darkest Dungeon as a Steam gift from someone who doesn't know GoG, so I'm stuck with a game that's supposed to be drm-free but doesn't work without Steam and a game that works when it wants to.
Post edited August 06, 2016 by Nagrarok
Posted August 07, 2016
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Nagrarok: As for Borderlands 2, it just won't open despite following the instructions mentioned on said list:

Pretty simple, adding -nosteam or running the mentioned command in a terminal should allow the game to run without Steam

But then this shows up

Both of them work flawlessly with Steam installed and open, of course. But if you try to run them with Steam offline or uninstalled they start giving these errors.
I don't know about Darkest Dungeon (it's only listed as being DRM-free for Windows using the trick on the wikia page), but I was the one that tested both Borderlands games in Linux and added them to that list. I just tested Borderlands 2 without Steam, and as you said, it's giving me that same error now, which is really bizarre. I'm absolutely sure I was able to run the game perfectly fine without Steam; when I did, the game even created a generic save data folder called "0" in /home/peter/.local/share/aspyr-media/borderlands 2/willowgame/savedata, instead of the regular folder that's uniquely named using your Steam ID. I'm going to see what I can figure out, but I'm wondering if, somehow, Linux Mint 18 is handling this differently than 17.3 did, which is the version I was using when I tested all of this stuff.

As for where you said "But if you try to run them with Steam offline or uninstalled they start giving these errors," do you mean that Borderlands 2 won't run even with Steam in Offline Mode? Because for me, I physically unplugged my desktop from the network and ran Steam in Offline Mode, and the game started up without a problem.

EDIT: Okay, so, I just tried Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel, and that's definitely still DRM-free; it launched without Steam running, and it created the separate, generic save data folder right next to the Steam-specific one. So, of the two Borderlands games, it's only Borderlands 2 that's having issues.

EDIT 2: Ooh, so, I found something interesting: I back up all of my games that I care to keep in the future, and the backup of Borderlands 2 that I made in April of this year has quite a few different files in the main program folder, as you can see from the screenshots that I took (at the bottom of this post).

The only explanation I can come up with is that Borderlands 2 got some kind of update between April and now, and it's no longer DRM-free, but the last update I can find is from October 2015; either that, or Steam itself did something, but the Pre-Sequel still works after a fresh download, so I don't think it's that. After copying my April backup of Borderlands 2 to my desktop and trying to run it without Steam, using the -nosteam trick in the Terminal, the game ran perfectly again. If I can't figure out how to fix this, I'll remove it from the list. (I'll keep The Pre-Sequel on there, though, because that definitely still works.)

EDIT 3: I just checked the main program files of both Borderlands 2 folders, and sure enough, the file sizes are different. I think that, for some reason, Steam DRM was actually added to Borderlands 2 at some point, while The Pre-Sequel was left alone. I'm going to go ahead and remove Borderlands 2 from the list now, since if anyone downloads a new copy at this point, it'll be the updated version.
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Post edited August 07, 2016 by pedrovay2003
Posted August 07, 2016
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I prefer stores like GOG.com which officially support DRM-free, instead of stores where some games might be DRM-free... oops now they aren't anymore.
Posted August 07, 2016
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timppu: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I prefer stores like GOG.com which officially support DRM-free, instead of stores where some games might be DRM-free... oops now they aren't anymore.
Indeed, a good example of why not to true anyone saying steam is drm free, or humble is drm free. The definition is generally different.
Posted August 07, 2016
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timppu: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I prefer stores like GOG.com which officially support DRM-free, instead of stores where some games might be DRM-free... oops now they aren't anymore.
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nightcraw1er.488: Indeed, a good example of why not to true anyone saying steam is drm free, or humble is drm free. The definition is generally different.
Considering GOG used familiar DRM practices for The Witcher 3 disc, this is a load of shite. "you need to install Galaxy and then up date this, you can't play without it." that isn't very DRM free is it.
Posted August 07, 2016
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Nagrarok: Both of them work flawlessly with Steam installed and open, of course. But if you try to run them with Steam offline or uninstalled they start giving these errors.
Think your on wrong webpage you want to go over to steam...

You are trying to run steam versions of the games... they have DRM
You need to install GOG versions of the games if you bought them here

If you haven't bought them here and bought them over at steam... that's what you get for
supporting steam.

Your money in the garbage can.
Post edited August 07, 2016 by Regals
Posted August 07, 2016
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nightcraw1er.488: Indeed, a good example of why not to true anyone saying steam is drm free, or humble is drm free. The definition is generally different.
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darthspudius: Considering GOG used familiar DRM practices for The Witcher 3 disc, this is a load of shite. "you need to install Galaxy and then up date this, you can't play without it." that isn't very DRM free is it.
Didn't say Gog was a saving grace. I trust them slightly more than other sites, but that doesn't say much. There are other examples of where the lines blur, van helsing phoning homes for "news", that recent mobile game that needs an account to get achievements etc. I would say they are generally ok here, although all the resource into galaxy does concern me for the future where it will become necessary to use it.
Posted August 07, 2016
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nightcraw1er.488: Indeed, a good example of why not to true anyone saying steam is drm free, or humble is drm free. The definition is generally different.
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darthspudius: Considering GOG used familiar DRM practices for The Witcher 3 disc, this is a load of shite. "you need to install Galaxy and then up date this, you can't play without it." that isn't very DRM free is it.
You didn't have to install Galaxy (downloading an update from the web site was enough). It was no different than if a game requires a patch before you can play it properly. Once you have downloaded that update, you were all set, you could install and play the game as many times as you wanted without ever connecting to GOG. Plus, you could also download a DRM-free installer from GOG, if you wanted.

You are just arguing for argument's sake, knowing your dislike for GOG.com. I can understand the retail pre-order buyers didn't necessarily like it that they were required to make an extra download before they could play their retail game, but that's all.
Post edited August 07, 2016 by timppu
Posted August 07, 2016
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timppu: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I prefer stores like GOG.com which officially support DRM-free, instead of stores where some games might be DRM-free... oops now they aren't anymore.
I agree completely. I'll always buy games from GOG over anywhere else if they're available here, but "if" is the key word; there are some companies that need the placebo effect of DRM in order to help themselves sleep at night, and we just won't see their games here.
Posted August 07, 2016
I think people are both derailing and reading only the parts that interest them ._.

As I stated, DD was a gift from someone who doesn't even know GoG, so "no money to the garbage can", and Borderlands 2 isn't here AND I bought it even before knowing GoG.

Thing is, they are listed in a list that's supposed to have the DRM-free games on Steam, meaning that they SHOULDN'T require Steam to run properly.

And yet they do. I wanted to know if there's something wrong with the list, or the games, or there's an extra step to get them to work without Steam, that's all.

Don't know about you, but if a game is listed as DRM-free, I'd like to know why it does require DRM to work.
Posted August 08, 2016
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Nagrarok: Thing is, they are listed in a list that's supposed to have the DRM-free games on Steam, meaning that they SHOULDN'T require Steam to run properly.

And yet they do. I wanted to know if there's something wrong with the list, or the games, or there's an extra step to get them to work without Steam, that's all.
A list that is compiled by volunteers and that is no official DRM-Free commitment from the developers or publishers.
A list that can become outdated every time a game is updated.

And pedrovay2003 already answered with respect to Borderlands 2, confirming what you stated.
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