Posted August 06, 2016

dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States

nightcraw1er.488
Want some Wang!
Registered: Apr 2012
From United Kingdom

mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted August 06, 2016

Unfortunately, I need an operating system to run it. Fortunately, which operating system doesn't really matter.
lol
yes I had a server running with it for some time and one just has to love zfs! it's pure gold. Also loved the Jails (ezjails system especially) just great. But the updating process always bothered me. Since I mixed the pkg and ports system and there were different commands for updating the ports and pkgs, (and then again for every jail) it was confusing for me and I was never certain that everything was up to date. - a simple "pacman -Syu" in arch is way more comfy ;)

Tallima
TreasureHunting!
Registered: Apr 2010
From United States
Posted August 06, 2016

amund
Lorem ipsum
Registered: Oct 2010
From Sweden
Posted August 06, 2016
First of all I prefer the philosophy behind BSD over Linux. I find Linux becoming a big mess where things easily break where as in like FreeBSD is more stable and feel like a real system while Linux is a sandbox/playground. I have been using both Linux and FreeBSD for a long time running servers and to me it was just a lot less work using FreeBSD. As for Windows compared to Linux, Windows is more stable and more user-friendly for desktop use plus that it has better software/game support. Only good thing I find with Linux is that it can be made more secure and uses less resources than Windows but for my uses there are better options than Linux.

NateJennings75
Retro Head
Registered: Dec 2009
From United States
Posted August 09, 2016

else I have upgraded the dual boot win7 I haven't booted up in almost a year to win 10 yesterday and didn't like it. Had problems getting the install to go through: With the normal upgrade installer it just rebooted into the old win7 during the installation without telling a reason. none. it's unbelievable not a single message as to why the fuck! Well I then just tried downloading the ISO which didn't work because the media creation tool just did not recognise the usb stick (tried 3 sticks 2x32gb and 64gb probably too big for that puny OS)
but then I told the media creation tool to just upgrade this pc and this worked. But then I had no network devices after the install. Error 31 on both wifi and lan. rebooted into linux (aah the joy) to find out that having a VPN software installed prior to the upgrade (And I chose clean install as far as "apps and settings" are concerned in the upgrade) messed with the update and that win10 wasn't able to install stock drivers for my laptop. So I downloaded the drivers in linux. deleted the old ones in win10. installed the new ones. had network ...
...and rebooted into my beloved arch, to continue to not boot up windows :)

Celton88
GoldenEyes
Registered: Oct 2011
From United States
Posted August 09, 2016
Windows 10 for me. I like it well enough.
Linux has looked interesting, but I haven't done anything with it yet. I'd like to download the OS to a thumb drive and test it.
Linux has looked interesting, but I haven't done anything with it yet. I'd like to download the OS to a thumb drive and test it.

GlorFindel
Boycott - April 2020.- ?
Registered: Dec 2009
From Croatia
Posted August 09, 2016
Am using and will use Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-bit until 14.01.2020.; just as I used Windows XP SP3 until 08.04.2014.!
And then I will switch to whichever Windows will be best at that time! Windows 14?! ;-)
And then I will switch to whichever Windows will be best at that time! Windows 14?! ;-)

dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted August 09, 2016

I have found Linux (at least if you have a decent distribution) to remain stable; a Debian Stable will keep working the way it currently is, and won't suddenly start misbehaving or behaving differently. In particularly, the system only updates when *you* tell it to. Also, Linux has better game support than *BSD.
Windows, on the other hand, does not; it will suddenly update to a new version that can completely break your workflow, and on Windows 10 Home Edition, there is no way to turn off automatic updates.
Another thing is that Linux is extremely flexible, if you look at all the features the kernel supports. For example, you can use the device mapper to do interesting things with block devices; for example, you can combine 2 block devices into 1 in multiple ways. Also, with some trickery, you can boot a virtual machine with the concatenation of a boot sector and a physical hard drive partition.
Also, Linux is better than *BSD for virtualization at the moment. KVM seems to be more flexible than bhyve, and bhyve requires more CPU features. Also, bhyve is only in the newest versions of FreeBSD, while KVM has been around for quite a while at this point.
Linux also has more mature driver support.
Another thing: In Linux, it is quite easy to run a functional system from RAM; just create a cpio containing the root filesystem plus an init program at /init, then use it as your initramfs image with a kernel. I haven't been able to find a similar documented method in the FreeBSD base system, or any other BSD I have looked at.

JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece

amund
Lorem ipsum
Registered: Oct 2010
From Sweden
Posted August 09, 2016


I have found Linux (at least if you have a decent distribution) to remain stable; a Debian Stable will keep working the way it currently is, and won't suddenly start misbehaving or behaving differently. In particularly, the system only updates when *you* tell it to. Also, Linux has better game support than *BSD.
Windows, on the other hand, does not; it will suddenly update to a new version that can completely break your workflow, and on Windows 10 Home Edition, there is no way to turn off automatic updates.
Another thing is that Linux is extremely flexible, if you look at all the features the kernel supports. For example, you can use the device mapper to do interesting things with block devices; for example, you can combine 2 block devices into 1 in multiple ways. Also, with some trickery, you can boot a virtual machine with the concatenation of a boot sector and a physical hard drive partition.
Also, Linux is better than *BSD for virtualization at the moment. KVM seems to be more flexible than bhyve, and bhyve requires more CPU features. Also, bhyve is only in the newest versions of FreeBSD, while KVM has been around for quite a while at this point.
Linux also has more mature driver support.
Another thing: In Linux, it is quite easy to run a functional system from RAM; just create a cpio containing the root filesystem plus an init program at /init, then use it as your initramfs image with a kernel. I haven't been able to find a similar documented method in the FreeBSD base system, or any other BSD I have looked at.
For desktop use I don't see anything Linux does better than Windows in my experience. Windows has never updated itself on me, I do everything manual and it works fine so that has never been an issue. But if I installed Windows, Linux or something else for someone who don't care about updates like my parents then auto updates are best.
I agree Linux has better driver support than BSD so if you can do everything you want on Linux and you like that system I see no reason to switch to BSD except for curiosity. For gaming and general use I prefer Windows, BSD for everything else.

Ricky_Bobby
New User
Registered: Jun 2014
From Sweden
Posted August 09, 2016
Desktop: Xubuntu and Windows 10.
Laptop: Lubuntu and Windows 10.
Laptop: Lubuntu and Windows 10.
Post edited August 09, 2016 by Ricky_Bobby

mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted August 09, 2016

For desktop use I don't see anything Linux does better than Windows in my experience. Windows has never updated itself on me, I do everything manual and it works fine so that has never been an issue. But if I installed Windows, Linux or something else for someone who don't care about updates like my parents then auto updates are best.
I agree Linux has better driver support than BSD so if you can do everything you want on Linux and you like that system I see no reason to switch to BSD except for curiosity. For gaming and general use I prefer Windows, BSD for everything else.
*Also less to no viruses, trojans, cryptolocker so that's a huge plus. The games though, that's always the thing isn't it? But if you use your OS for more than gaming, it shouldn't play such a huge role. Mac has more games than linux at least but for the rest I use streaming from a win box, that I don't use for anything else. Other Options are virtual machines or as a last resort dual booting into windows.

jepsen1977
Nemo
Registered: Mar 2009
From Denmark
Posted August 10, 2016
Win7 64-bit. My pc is 4 years old and I saw no reason to upgrade to Win10. Win7 works like a charm and I even got my old printer working on it so i will wait with Win10 until I buy a new pc.