In a way, I hope that game streaming does become more viable/successful, because at least then it will be clearer to the average gamer that they do not own the games they are playing. Currently, millions of gamers are living in a blissfully ignorant delusion that they actually own their games on Steam, often reeling out defensive lines such as: "oh, Steam will release all the games DRM-free, if they were ever to go under ..."

With streaming, there is no illusion of ownership at all and no plausible deniability. If streaming were to replace Steam/DRM, it might lead to more awareness of the ownership benefits of DRM-free.

A few years back, there were some amazing prints and short clips of a motorcyce racing game that made people believe were true. If I correct recall the game was named "Ride".

Talos Principle is pretty much a very high graphical fidelity game, released almost 10 years ago.

Heck, even the original Crysis can look awfully good.


To be honest, there's nothing about Unreal Engine 5 or whatever is called that appeal me but then again, I'm not a developer.
Good and fun games necessarily don't need photo realistic graphics and graphics are only part of the game.

I dont get your mentality. You always buy a license nothing has changed the only difference is how much control you have over your license. Drm free is the best option and even steam is the way lesser evil than streaming. But streaming isnt meant to replace anything and if you are attracted to this than i wish you much fun

I think you have misunderstood what I meant. I'm not saying I am attracted to game streaming, I think it's the work of the devil. My point is that streaming could be an easier 'adversary' for DRM-free to tackle than Steam, since with streaming there is no 'illusion of ownership'. So, if the choice were between streaming and DRM-free, gamers who care about ownership of their games would probably default to DRM-free.

I disagree that the licensing is the same. With Steam, you are buying 'temporary' licenses for individual games; with streaming, you are paying a monthly subscription to have free access to games from a given selection. They are completely different models. And Steam is not a 'lesser evil' to streaming. They both incorporate DRM, just in different forms, therefore they are equally nefarious and unacceptable.

It is conceivable that streaming could become a threat to Steam, if the technology improves and it takes off in future. There may be a subset of Steam users who 'just want to play games' and don't care about ownership or digital rights, so those could switch from Steam to streaming. If streaming were to erode Steam's dominant market position, then it might contribute to disrupting their client lock-in effect. Those gamers who want to own their games might conclude that: "oh screw it, I'm not going to be able to have all my games in one place anyway ..." and might be more inclined to give DRM-free stores a try.

I don't like the idea of game streaming at all, but I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here and suggesting that it might in some ways benefit DRM-free, if it highlights the erosion of ownership and disrupts Steam's dominant market position.

In 20 year's I'll probably still play Turrican..
f*** photo realism



But about the topic itself ... I am not so much looking forward to more realistic images, but to more realistic physics.
I am tired of seeing armor plates bend. I want the hard plates back, like it was before T&L hit, a flexible undergear where plate joints are attached, like it was done in real life. I want scabaards bounce of the horses body instead of pierching it.

Pc gaming will be much bigger in 20 years than it is now. People like pc gaming because of its freedom. Everything will have its place steam gog etc. And yes there is a difference but streaming is the bigger evil than steam..... much bigger. I can play most of my games on steam without the launcher similar to gog. Steam drm is very light and you can buy some games from the get go drm free as well even if steam is drm itself but its so light its basically optional. Steam is not that bad. with streaming you have 0 control and forced online itself is evil enough but for a casual gamer which just plays cod and doesnt care about gaming its an option. Pc gaming will improve significant as well

The vast majority of gamers don't really own their games anyways. At least with honest rental, they'd pay a lot less for not owning their games.

Streaming is not evil, its honest.

I think Netflix classed up the movie industry. Before, you had to pay per unit to get a physical copy you had to circumvent the copy protection from using/learning arcane software. The digital version once that was possible were never drm-free at all.

So, now they can try dine splitting the modest monthly fee I provide Netflix among themselves. They'll make far less from it then they would if I purchased by unit and they fully deserve what is happening to them. F*ck them.

Exactly. Streaming is rental, pure and simple. I never had a problem with rental as an additional option to ownership, if its presented as such, honestly, up front, with a heavy discount.

Its the ownership masquerade where you pay like its ownership and you don't own sh*t that makes my blood boil.

There won't be pc gaming because of Russia they will make planet go boom with all other world leaders...

People still believe steam will release all the games DRM-free if they go under? LMAO By the way Sony will remove hundreds of purchased movies and shows from user libraries soon. Dark times!
The problem with steam it gives the option for DRM which can be abused by developers/publishers. A lot of AAA games on steam have DRM that can cause issues with the game running. I have 483 games on steam and less than 20 are actually DRM free. But If you are playing mostly indie games the launcher will not be an issue.

But once you start playing more AA and AAA games the steam DRM becomes an issue.

In 20 years gaming will be so pozzed that every game copy sold will come with a complimentary pride flag. I really don't think good graphics will matter at that point.

You mean before starting the game you how to pledge of allegiance to the flag? :)

nah hope not

Streaming is the most evil thing so far. Yes they make less money but games will have more monitizations like nfts and microtransactions and games become lazy garabage because they need to add constantly games which you can see with gamepass.....so many games and i dont care about anything there and if i do i buy them.You the consumer has zero control with streaming. I pick every game with drm over this garbage. But even if streaming will never appeal to me the pc gaming community will grow and will get even better so if someone likes it its their thing/problem not mine. Gog will always have a community and so will steam

You might as well be talking about a lot of AAA games on Steam increasingly (with the monetization).

Otherwise, for the lack on control on the games you can play... what's new? There is a whole bunch of console exclusives you'll never play unless you own all the consoles. Then, if you buy drm-free, you can further treated to a slice of the PC game market.

No, frankly, in terms of power of selection, there is not a whole lot of difference as far as I can see between GOG and Netflix which is fine by me. I'm perfectly happy to approach my gaming decisions by looking at what is available on my chosen venue and fanning out from there rather than come in with some pre-conceived notion of what I want to play. There are more quality games than I can possibly play anyways. Same for the movies on Netflix.

Otherwise, as previously said, I'll be happy to keep purchasing drm-free as long as that is possible, play my backlog when it isn't (and look at streaming if I must... if everything needs to be drm, then individual publishers can fight over my pennies, certainly not my dollars).

What I won't do is fund a fake ownership scam with my money. As previously said, I can respect streaming. At least, it is honest about what it is. I'll never have any respect for a sham platform like Steam. They are crooks and the bulk of their loyal customers simply have yet to realise they've been had.

You have zero control over your games which are streamed. A steam game with drm is x times better than a game which isnt even installed on your device. It will always be possible to buy drm free games like it is now. And like i said if a game only has steam drm which is very light you can play these games without the launcher if you know how. Its very easy.....and streaming isnt honest it just takes away any right you have with leeching you dry every month. You can bet that this nonsense will get monitized to hell at some point. Streaming is not meant to replace anything which was already said xx times. They will always love to sell you the xxxx deluxe editons. Serious gamer will always stick with a local device. and its fine if you dont care that much about gaming but i prefer to have controll over my eperience without being forced to be online. Modding is also a huge part for me. Pc gaming will grow even further in this amount of time. Giving people more options also means more money