Just for clarity's sake, I'm also for a universal hide/unhide tagging system, but until GOG gets it in mind to do what danbooru does, I'm gonna clown on every release regardless.

While I indeed enjoy seeing some of the classics I grew up with and do play them, revisiting those old games made me realize that retro-inspired indie games tend to be better.

It's like playing games of old with a bunch of new twists, various improvements and all the rough edges smoothed out.

No way, this thread gets bumped until the next NSFW game gets released. Then we repeat the whole thing there.


But yeah, filters for all sorts of tags or features would be cool.

We still get more 15+ years old games every month than we get nsfw games anyway.
Lately a lot of 80s/90s games were added.

Anmd trust me, you don't want to see the 20 year old Illusion 3D porn games here, these are REAL porn games, not kinky stories with some adult content, like most nsfw games here are.

Please let us filter these games, come on.

Regarding how I treat my kids: I don't know where you got that it's a done deal that every children will be exposed to this kind of content no matter what, I've heard similar arguments regarding drugs, alcohol and so on, and, being part of a big family myself, I know this is not true. You can't fully prevent every single child from doing it, but you can discourage it enough while providing healthier experiences so that the majority in the family won't be interested in it. So I don't agree with your premise but I'm not here to discuss parenting.

The thing is I'm not trying to punish GoG, I'm trying to promote a healthy family environment in which I can freely discuss games with them without having to lie or to engage too deeply into such topics during our quality time - and here Steam is waaaay better than GoG! Steam will promote games based on your tastes, so not only do I have a say in which games are being shown, I'm also able to engage in what they already like so it becomes a shared experience they value.

I'd like to promote GoG just as the next pro-DRM-free person, but until more filter options and parent control measures are introduced, Steam is simply a more family friendly environment in this regard - period. I'd love to see GoG introducing Family Accounts and restricting this kind of content to people that actively choose to see them, I'm not really against GoG having this kind of content on the site, you do you!

Regarding the difference between AVNs (thanks for telling me the term) and regular porn, I do acknowledge that I'm not a connoisseur, but I've seen some tags and some pictures, and it seems to me that quite often the content of AVNs go in the direction of things that simply are not possible to do in regular porn because people would end up in jail if that was done in real life. For instance, I saw a picture of one of the 5 games released that originated this thread that had subtitles in it and it was about some sort of nuns about to be raped. I saw another of a girl that was clearly implied to be underaged. I believe you that there must be some AVNs that are more art than porn (like HBO series), but it's not easy to tell them apart for the untrained eye.

Wow! I wasn't expecting to see this type of discussion being developed here at all!

As much as I appreciate such profound debate, for the sake of simplicity I'm going to focus on your last question: "Is it really necessary to attack one, while willing to defend the other, why?"

I'm not willing to defend either one, I'm in favor of the site giving tools for people to block such content if they so desire, and even better, to have tools tailored for parents that are willing to put the effort to provide a nice gaming environment for the entire family - which is something that Steam does and GoG doesn't. Steam has a larger library of such games and you won't see people complaining as much, you know why? Steam won't allow you to enter this kind of +18 rated game page unless you login and unless you (or in case of family accounts the parents) explicit allow the page to be shown.

Regarding what studies I'm referring to, I was being a lot less philosophical and was thinking more in the terms of Neurobiology of Compulsive Sexual Behavior (Kraus et al) which points to problems related to internet pornography being a real thing. As far as I know, the only debate in the field is if the problems people report related to porn should be classified as pertaining to a real addiction or if it "only" relates to an impulsive disorder (whereas it's way less common for people to report such problems because they are addicted to violent movies or games).

Again, I personally prefer to avoid both as much as possible, but that's a preference (which again leads me back to my point: the problem is not GoG having this kind of content on the site, the problem is not giving people tools to filter this kind of content).

Great news! White Album and Kara no Shoujo next, please!

Let me thank you for your thorough and thoughtful answer to my question.

You can never know which direction a discussion is going to take, and I was equally surprised to see someone bringing neurobiology up as you did. It's refreshing to see that it is possible, because its also part of the wider discussion and unresolved questions.

I would welcome a universal hiding function because it isn't just about such content. I'm using my ad-blocker to do it, and my blocking list contains north of 1500 titles of all genres and it consists of all types of old and brand-new games/VN alike.

Having the means to hide any such content a person doesn't like, or unhide it at some later date, because preferences and interests are bound to change over time, and because experience shows that using tags, let's say NSFW, which is by the way the only one not also filtering out other titles a person would normally consume based on their preferences and interests, would dramatically improve the overall shopping experience.

While St. Elsewhere's hiding option is truly convenient, it is also far from perfect. Individual items can be hidden while the same isn't possible with collections. In addition, they are also offering a host of options, allowing their customers to control what's getting displayed on their main pages and store browser, thus making it a safe experience as far as that's possible.

A hiding option is only half the rent, though, considering the presence of sales, promo, and release topics can be viewed on the general forums, regardless of age, and despite opting to hide games/VN, which is in itself only possible in the store browser, while the main page remains unaffected. I'm disregarding that there are also ways to hide content on the forum, in lieu of an official ignore function allowing it.

On the other hand, it would be easier to also hide topics promoting pornographic/sexual games/VN or special events which are targets for ideological clashes, ad hominem attacks, accusations, and thus hindering and preventing reasonable discussions and exchanging opposing views from the get-go, more than allowing for them to happen, because it is then only a matter of checking what's on a person's ignore list and filtering such topics out. If someone still barges in to cause unrest, they can quickly be dealt with by moderators, and discussions brought back on topic.

I see, yes. I agree that porn consumption is a relevant factor and it can have a potentially negative impact - if only, and preferably, this individual. So while addiction, obsessive, and compulsory behaviour can be a potential risk factor, in relation to GOG there is little to worry about. Here we have a baseline protection (virtual curtain), and inoffensive screenshots for explicit novels and games, which under ordinary circumstances should be more than enough. GOG can't prevent addictive behaviour or excessive consumption. That's not their duty and they don't know who their customers really are - and by extension, what their psychological makeup is looking like. Even though they are likely able to deduce it to a minor degree from analysing any personal and tracking data they are collecting - and selling (All I say is giveaways and competitions *cough*).

That's fair and I'm in full support of it, because it should be your decision what you'd like to view and likely purchase, not GOG's. And whatever you - or anyone - is hiding, and why, is your business. You are not taking away something from anybody else or violating anybody's rights by doing it. That isn't universally true, because a line can be drawn, connecting the ability to hide titles from the store to modding out content from games, which some individuals consider to be a crime and violation of their rights, and people asking for and using such are considered to be the worst examples humankind has ever brought forth... I have no words for that...

Like I said: Internet, friends ... how could you prevent exposure? I was able to see such things long before I was eighteen and back then the internet was almost non existent. Now with the internet the kids only need a way to get free access and with the "are you 21" click "age verification" there should not be a problem to get on certain sites within seconds. So IF children would be interested in such things they probably will find a way.

Well, I never said anything else. I said that one should talk with each other because it won't be possible to prevent everything the world throws at us.

So as you just said, you talk with your children and you try to prevent them getting interested in such sites or games ... so where's the problem if GOG is showing product sites that don't even show anything explicit at all?

Depends on what you consider to be "family friendly". Again. I fail to see anything dangerous in the product pages except of maybe some busty women. Please show me a link of a product page which you think is "family unfriendly".

I doubt that you would find any games with underaged cartoon figures in it (which in itself imo is the biggest joke in history because a drawn character is exactly as old as the time it took the artist to draw the character). However all games I played stated more than once how old these characters are ... then again - we are STILL talking about FICTIONAL characters just as you shoot FICTIONAL soldiers and just as you bomb FICTIONAL citys in games you might in such games see sex with a FICTIONAL CARTOON CHARACTER. But let me assure you, that it is VERY easy to distinguish ANY AVN from regular porn because EVERY AVN has at least a story and characters that are more than simply faceless people ready to get screwed ... which basically is what you get when you watch porn. I ask the question again that I asked so many times before: if porn and AVNs are identical, why would one chose the one you have to pay for?

In summary: you think that the pure existence of product pages that don't show anything explicit in it could harm your children even though you are talking with them and even though you are trying to tell them what they should be interested in an what not (aka healthy education). You are also talking about games you never tried for yourself and you only judge them based on tags and some screenshots ... you also ignore that they are still games. In games I could kill people, gut people, throw pets out of the window or have sex with 100 people at the same time ... where exactly is the problem as long as I am still aware that I am just playing a game?

That being said: As I said before. Being able to customize the shopping experience here on GOG would benefit everybody but given GOGs tech experience I doubt that we will get such an option anytime soon. So yes, I am fine if we should get such filter options but I still think that it is the wrong way if you want to get your kids desinterested in certain topics. What is hidden and what is forbidden will always be the thing that is also most wanted. That's scientifically proven as well ;)

It's incredible how there are so many masturbators defending these crap games. Seriously, these things have nothing to add. Leave the house and go find a girlfriend, have a relationship, instead of looking at drawings related to nudity, and masturbating. LOL...

Filter for all sorts of games and features: *kudos*
Filter for only games with adult content: That I am against


I would very welcome to hide all games by Whalerock games.

Hiding bad bames? Count me in.
The only problem is that you probably don't mean these. You see certain content as shit, where others think more about the quality of the game. You would also hide house party and Being a DIK, not because they are bad games, but because you don't like the content.

I don't like sport managemers, but do you see me complain about these?

It is incredible how some people can be so arrogant as yourself, judging not just games they never played but also the people who are playing them. What makes you assume that those who like games with adult content don't have a relationship in the first place? You really think that these games are for masturbation only? Well ... how could you know better because you never played them in the first place (as so many others who don't want these games here). It still does not prevent you to have the audacity to tell others what they should or shouldn't play and making clueless assumptions about their real life. It is amazing how arrogant and full of oneself a single person can be.

Try masturbating sometimes, maybe it could calm you down :D

It's okay... It's okay... Now I'm calm. I suggest MarkoH01 does the same or he will have a heart attack. XD

I'm not into recycling arguments over and over again, so I'll leave it at it's easier to keep things at bay if you don't have to keep constantly talking about it. Obviously, parents should avoid making a big case about it to avoid raising interest, but if I have to constantly tell them that they cannot and should not see that and that game for such and such reasons then I already lost them. Again, Steam is just easier to use in this regard and it's something we can do together, that is, shopping games that will interest all of us without me having to tell the kids "skip this one because this game is about rape and sex".

Obviously I find your "it's all fake stuff" argument beyond ridiculous, if for nothing else because people do use this stuff to get horny and fap, pages here and elsewhere are full of reviews of "games you can play with one hand" and so on. So so much for "it's all fake".